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THE CALL TO PRIESTHOOD ?

“He went out to do good – and he did well” 😀

The RCC teaches that you do not have a vocation to priesthood unless the “church” calls you via the bishop.

It also teaches that if you do not have a vocation and get ordained, then, by the grace of the sacrament, you immediately receive a vocation !

I think there are two types of men who seek priesthood:

1. Those who have a genuine vocation.

2. Those with a “fantasy vocation,” the fantasy being that the priesthood will solve all their problems and complete all their inadequacies.

Most bishops, including myself, have had the experience of ordaining unsuitable candidates, and when that happens, you feel hurt, disappointed, and betrayed.

But I always remind myself that Jesus, who was God, chose and “ordained” twelve, and one betrayed him completely, ten abandoned him when the going got tough, and only one was totally loyal.

So, it’s hardly surprising that human bishops make wrong decisions, too.

Nowadays, I am much more careful and expect anyone seeking ordination to attend The Oratory on a very regular basis, seek the approval of The Oratory congregation for each step on the way to priesthood, engage in study and discernment over a number of years.

A priest with a true vocation will do much good.

A person with a fantasy vocation will wreak havoc on themselves and others.

THE HAVOC

Every day on this blog, we see examples of unsuitable candidates for priesthood creating havoc.

– Priests destroying the lives of vulnerable women by using and abusing them.

– Priests who have not come to terms with their sexuality causing consternation on internet Apps. Priests acting crazily in gay saunas, in monastery kitchens, and in women’s toilets in shopping centres.

– Priests like JPL – the subject of recent blogs.

– Priests descreating altars.

– Priests embezzling large sums of church money.

– Bishops covering up all kinds of abuse and corruption.

– Priests acting like Little Hitlers in parishes.

A GOOD PRIEST OR BISHOP

There is no such thing as a perfect priest or bishop.

We are all flawed. We all suffer from inadequacies, defects of character, and multiple types of weaknesses.

But there must be a bottom line below which we do not allow to drop.

A good priest:

1. Has a real and authentic faith in God and is not just acting as if they have faith.

2. Makes a determined effort to pray every day.

3. He reflects on his weaknesses and sins every day and makes a determined effort to improve.

4. Is as available to people as Jesus was – and is like that every day.

5. Is not driven by ambition, cynicism, the gathering of wealth, the exercise of power, the need to be complimented and fawned over, and the temptation to be always right.

And, of course, every priest, like every person, is a “work in progress”

123 replies on “THE CALL TO PRIESTHOOD ?”

‘It also teaches that if you do not have a vocation and get ordained, then, by the grace of the sacrament, you immediately receive a vocation !’
All this proves is how naive the ‘experts in humanity’ were in the past about what priests could do – this despite hearing confessions.
Post men like Brendan Smyth, Oliver O’Grady, and David Pearce, if the church had any sense it would ditch this idea.

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The dishonesty at the heart of the priesthood disable it from the beginning and puts a hypocrisy and a lie at its very centre.
Most Catholics would think ifheir priest, if he is unfaithful, is incontinent with a. woman as a priest represents Christ who was heterosexual, whereas the vast majority of Catholic priests are active or passive, homophile or homophobic.
Homosexuality rules the Catholic pristhoood with an iron rod (no Freudian pun intended)

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@5:26 there is dishonesty at the heart of everything to do with the Roman Catholic Church. Devious fakes in every sense of the word.

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There are many who should never have been ordained, like the Abbot of Farnborough, who never completed his studies at Oxford and then bullied his superiors into ordaining him. He has since used his position as a priest and local superior to sexually harass candidates to the religious life, as well as bully, lie to get what he wants. Checks on his suitability for the priesthood where never done nor the reason why his was asked to leave the Passionists and now he rules his fiefdom by encouraging candidates to enter the monastery from Eastern Europe and far a field as the Philippines.

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The litmus test.
When the priest takes a day off does he
1. Not pray his office & mass, or
2. Pray his office and mass, or
3. Pray his office and mass and double his time in the presence of the Holy Sacrament.
Once you know that about a priest you know all you need to know.

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Exactly. There’s a category which should possibly be numbered half in your line-up who don’t pray and avoid saying mass if they can, even when it’s not their day ‘off’.

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The quote you’ve used to illustrate this doesn’t refer to ministry, it means only the elect will be saved.

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Even God himself has departed & left the building to the 2 faced little Hitlers and their rent boys & gals & they busy themselves doing the Devils work.

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Probably like myself, Pat, you grew up in a faith family and in a society which supported a “vocation” to priesthood or religious life. It was seen as a very noble and honourable decision to make. It was. However, a decade or more of living the “way” or “calling”, reality set in. I realised that there were many issues which I hadn’t ever considered, thought about or was aware of. The clericalism and patriarchy was all too evident and being a junior you had to tolerate much. That all changed after a few bullying incidents and a case of sexual abuse where I intervened to stop an abuser. The issue was reported to all relevant authorities. The outcome was the removal of the abuser (lay person) and a prison sentence. Being left on my own to deal with the matter, i learned much. From the parishes where i worked, parishioners teach you what a priest should be: caring, a good listener, available, show initiative, join people in their illnesses and sufferings, be a person of prayer, try to be sincere and genuinely kind. Don’t ever lord it over anyone and realise that we learn something new every day from parishioners…show your faith and prayer gently. Always remember Jesus’s way is what we must emulate..Difficult but it’s the ONLY way!

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This is a great blog Bishop Pat, sadly, by now everyone knows some individual or family directly targetted by church for some form of abuse but when one can read what they “really think and are like” as they all without exception post anonymous, you soon realise that absolute everything the public has heard about them is true and more importantly, readers of this blog can see that they are even worse than one might have thought. Evil personified one and all & egged on by their money and power mad bishops.

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…….and try to imagine every faithful parishioner discovering these Truths. No wonder we feel let down, betrayed and still some I know do not want to know the truth. Its only by facing the cheating, lying to us, the cover ups & collusion, by discussing respectfully and ASSERTIVELY that we can begin to regain any respect in the ‘wider world.’ Some of the comments point to what a priest is supposed to be for those he hopes 🤞set example to. Scripture is used to make the point – sorry n’all that – but – we knew you were flawed but didn’t like to say, were abused by the RCC’s Systemic Practices, were & are betrayed, payed money in trust & hope. Of course we understand your flaws – all human kind – goes with the ‘label.
You know what, though – we really did think you were Christ like and genuine. The house will come tumbling down soon. It can’t go on like this.

Hosea 4 : Ch 4: 4-6. During heartfelt prayer 4 times in as many months. Christ communicates through his Holy Spirit and we only have ourselves to blame if we do not listen to the warnings. It is too late for some clergy right up to those at the top of the RCC hierarchal tree. Do any of you care a jot that I and no doubt many other parishioners feel kicked in the teeth and like one commenter recently said we have been and are being taken for ‘eejits’. These blog infos should somehow be published to parishes.
🤮🪣😥😡😢🙏🙏🙏

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5:47 they read them & all they want to do is shut down this blog & other relevant outlets for the truth. They don’t “want” to change or put right their wrongs, if anything they want to carry on indulging themselves in all manner of sexual & financial & other abuses unchallenged.

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Like the pun Pat: “they will ‘reek’ havoc” Intended or Freudian? No “smell of the sheep” there, but reeking of a different odour!

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Timothy Bartlett said if he gets the Bishops job, then the opportunity cost of not being able to have a wife and children will have been worth it.

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Today’s priesthood clearly attracts those addicted to the lowest levels of all that is nasty and legally and morally reprehensible and they carefully select & surround themselves with those that are guaranteed to be complicit with them on that basis by virtue of their own circumstances. Birds of a feather.

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10.25: This of course – and you know it, as does Pat – this is an ignorant, disinenuous comment. It is not the full truth. Some men have used and abused priesthood in morally and spiritually reprehensible ways but the majority of priests I’ve encountered over 40 years or more are good human beings with genuine care for their work and ministry. Apart from the daily human foibles, weaknesses and flaws that are part of all our lives, the majority of us are in priesthood for more worthy reasons than you ignore to admit. You cannot be so ignorant, can you??

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12:33 Would you like to square that with the way the entire hierarchy covered up child rape for decades?
Your comment is pious claptrap and, as you would say, far from the whole truth.

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12:33 take responsibility and ownership for your vile murderous hierarchy, friends and colleagues that abuse victims and survivors on this blog & elsewhere, Father Anonymous. Failing that, go to HELL!

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*CLARIFICATION*
Fr Dominic McGrattan, contrary to what your commentators have said on this blog, has not smoked a cigarette since leaving his bullying past in St Patricks, where he was a curate. His healthy weight is down to a healthy diet. Stop this witch hunt against a good Priest.

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When you see all that priests & nuns have done to women and children over the decades, it’s more like they’ve been called to their so called vocation by the devil himself.

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10:27 Bishops & cohorts are crooks & cover up merchants. It’s all about the money.

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10:27 they on their way out. Good riddance to bad rubbish. They sold themselves down the river with all the unresolved abuse & cover ups.

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I’m living my best life +Pat
They can keep it and jump in the river for all I care.
Move on and be happy
That’s my motto
Have a great day everyone

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Pat mate – no offence here – but I think the majority of your readers are they type of people who shop in Primark and Lidl

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Well no offence to you ‘mate’ but I love the Lidl. It’s the only shop I pop in for a quick bottle of wine, and panic buy a canoe and a set of screw drivers. Their wine is lovely and cheap Pat.

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@10:35 that’s all pensioners can afford if they want to go to mass as well, Father. You don’t live in the real world, do you, Fr Walter Mitty living all alone in your 4 bedroom house all warm and toasty with your fridge full of goodies.

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No offense taken.
I’ve never shopped in Primark but I pop into Lidl regularly.
What my shopping preferences, and the preferences of others, has to do with contributions to the blog puzzles me.
When you’re finished packing your Harrods online, grocery shop away perhaps you’d care to enlighten us.

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12:21 Well said! What the stalker catlicks fail to realise is that they give themselves away with their intense personal interest in the private lives of those they’ve engaged in illegal acts against and who, therefore, have nothing whatsoever to do with them or their types. They are also engaging in illegal acts by harassing, intimidating and slandering victims & survivors of church related abuse by themselves and their members. Their intense and ongoing conduct is confirmation and proof of their complicity in the ongoing crime, corruption and criminality in the RCC. It’s none of their business about the lives of any private citizen and their conduct is yet another example of their modus operandi in constantly and addictively breaching the human rights of private citizens and vulnerable groups that they have historically achieved great success in abusing and exploiting.

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10:35 is the daily reminder that the RCC is a classist and elitist business networking organisation using God as a “front” to raise revenue. Populated by Mafia style “fencers” & “joint-casers”.

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Some older people may be hanging onto to fanciful notions but ultimately younger people have seen and read & noted the overwhelming evidence & accepted that no one has to scratch too deep to find that the RCC is clearly a criminal organisation addicted to sexual and financial wrong doing & will crawl on nails if necessary to hide the truth about themselves. Completely unrepentant and determined to keep profiting from sin.

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People do good in their religion by prayer and good acts and to be seen in a honoured respected status and believee by doing this they will have a place in heaven. But what if they lack love for the ordinary people who are full of Gods love but because of belief in their own importance miss the opportunity in seeing the goodness in the ordinary.

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12:03 through!
There are none so blind as those who do not WANT to see.

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Reply to;Fr Johnny Rottensays:
Jan 17, 2023 at 10:40 am
No surprises, it always was and, will continue to be so, the only difference today is, most of us can at least read a paper, are informed by T.V, internet, etc. The Roman Catholic church continues to be a secretive organisation consumed by making money and acquiring property.
No doubt there are some good people in that organisation, more is the pity, they too are tarred with the same brush, by association, not forgetting the Roman Catholic church continues to carry out many good acts of charity, in health, schooling and, humanitarian efforts worldwide.
What we have heard of in recent times, needed to be expose, however for some of us the damage done is irreparable, we have jumped ship with no enthusiasm to ever return.
With the fallout from the global child sexual abuse involving Roman Catholic clergy, embezzlement in the church, active sex, both homosexuals and heterosexual, illegitimate children, abortions, really no different for the rest of society, it has proven how fallible and with the potential for criminality, we all are capable of, including clergy and, those in religious orders, it has begun to nibble away at clericalism, which clouded the eyes for centuries, elevating those in the church to impossible standards to reach or, maintain.
It might be an idea for priests to have a contract for a few years, maybe five, after at that time, be given the opportunity to review their position, especially those who have joined at a young age, the ideals one has at 18-19 years old, with experience and time, can and, does change drastically, at that stage, either to stay or leave with no repercussion and or, contracted for another 5 years.
Burnout must be a big problem, also with so few priests, exhaustion and emotional stress, as with anyone in a profession/vocation constantly dealing with the public, similar to nurses, doctors, ect. Is this issue every address by Bishops?
1)
Major survey of U.S. Catholic priests finds trust issues, burnout, fear …https://www.catholicnewsagency.com › news › major-s…
19 Oct 2022 — Trust in the U.S. bishops as a whole is low among priests overall, with only 24% expressing confidence in the leadership and decision-making of …
2)
The National Survey of Priests suggests a deep crisis in …https://www.catholicworldreport.com › 2022/12/28 › o…
28 Dec 2022 — … of the survey is that a majority of priests do not trust their own bishops—and, shockingly, only 24% of priests trust the US episcopacy …

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The RC teaching on the priesthood is that the the priest’s basic function is to recapitulate the sacrifice of Calvary in the Mass. The priest’s moral status is irrelevant to the validity of his Mass, as St Augustine worked out and as the old Irish monks illustrated in their Penitentials: “A priest who celebrates Mass immediately after having sex with a pig celebrates validly, but has to do penance on bread and water for two years.” That’s where the RC guarantee of the effectiveness of the priesthood lies. Ministry, OTOH, is a completely separate problem. It’s not a fundamental attribute of the RC priesthood, as St Peter Damian taught in considering a priest-hermit who doesn’t meet another human for months on end (teaching that is why he’s a Doctor of the Church). Obviously ministry requires a certain set of personality attributes and a freedom from certain weaknesses, and the grace of the priesthood doesn’t guarantee to provide either. The modern RC Church has had to learn this to its great cost.

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A priest who celebrates Mass immediately after having sex with a pig should have a sight test because he’s confusing the pig with the altar boy.

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Using bargain basement rentboys from the poorest countries in the world and providing them with personal details from church records and from church connected physical & online stalking activities.

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Dirty dangerous bastardos, keep kids away from them and their female Myra Hindley aul lady types that cover up and tell lies for them.

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11:12am
I wouldn’t say terminally flawed, in fact not flawed at all, but given the word limitation of a blog and social media, hypocrisy, clericalism, celibacy and homosexuality are all underlying causes which contribute to the scandal and crime of industrial strength child abuse and its institutional cover up.

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Doctors and solicitors can not accept legacies in wills from patients or clients unless very strict guidelines are followed. Should there be a similar provision for clergy receiving legacies from parishioners?

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4:26 they take the money and property bequeathed & disregard the codicils & written conditions specified by the benefactors when it suits them.

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Priests feel low and are of course unhappy and unfulfilled. They realise that their taskmasters that belong to the Vatican strumpet don’t really care about them. They also realise that their bosses would sell them down the river if they had problems or bring any hint of trouble to their door. They also realise that if they become sick or come to retirement age the prelates will not want to know them anymore because they have become of no further use to them. They might even cut your pension to save money so that they themselves can continue to live in luxury within their palaces. GET OUT.

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Read an interesting book by Bishop Bill Morris of the Diocese of Toowomba. That Diocese is spread over thousands of miles and he dared raise the subject of the possibility of women or married Priests. Guess what – Pope Benedict kicked him without any trial at 66 and said he had no right of appeal against the successor of St. Peter.

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The notion of receiving a “special” vocation from God in the sense of the priesthood has been fatal to priesthood itself.
For early Christians, a man’s priesthood was a recognition of his worthiness (in their opinion) but also simply an addition to his everyday duties, such as fatherhood and work. That is a good thing – he would have been in touch both with the world at large and with everyday humanity, albeit from a Christian perspective.
There’s no reason not to return to that.
Some have doubts about the ordination of women but, without the narcissistic and frankly silly talk of “ontological change”, what substantial objection is there to it? Although I accept there is frankly scant evidence of its happening in the first millennium, it is surely a matter for local decision and discernment.

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Turns out the reason for strange behaviours from granny’s miserable witch for a sister is that all along she was a repressed lesbian. She recently met someone and the world is also a nicer place for the rest of us. She has started going to the hairdressers, having manicures and pedicures and everything, it’s great. Long may it last.

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Gay priests have to stay in the closet because they might get thrown out if they come out. Also they don’t want to tell aged parents. In a way, greater social acceptance of gay people and their relationships has contributed to the fall in numbers in Maynooth because fewer people now need to get into that particular closet.

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Good blog today Pat. I have no issue with our priest being gay and he use to have a boyfriend who would be seen with him regularly until they fell out. But the man was married to a woman and that’s what most of us had a problem with, instead of finding himself a nice single man he wanted a married one. Yet he refused to bless me and my third husbands wedding after we got married in the local registry office. He is a decent man but the level of hypocrisy is striking, God loves all, whether we are gay or divorcees – I do believe it’s a calling I couldn’t do it myself

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Celibacy is the main reason I left the job I loved. If celibacy was scrapped I would definitely take my old job back. I love my sex life and while I may not be particularly good at it, it’s enjoyable and pleasurable all the same.

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Ya all have a calling, even if it’s to hide who ya are, you are all good men, I turn a blind eye to you guys – live and let live

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What priests did on Kildorrery church altar was the straw that broke the camels back, we no longer attend.

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I am a single straight man, and at times I feel I am celibate as most females are only after relationships or something more meaningful, which I do not want, and as it’s harder to have fun with a woman, I have dabbled with gay men, as they are always up for ‘fun’ and like the fact that I’m straight but merely using them, why is it that the majority of gay men have no issue with ‘being used’ so to speak or what do they get out of it? From one extreme of celibacy to the other of real looseness I think we should all try and find a balance that suits our needs.

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I find it astonishing all the stories I read on this blog about all these priests hitting on people sexually doing drugs and everything else. In all my years I met many priest some I did not like, but not for any of those reasons they were just not nice people. Asking friends did they know of priests who were behaving like that, none of them had, like me they met some they liked and some they did not. We occasionally heard of priests who were too fond of the gargle but that was it.

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I’m old enough to remember that priests were never any better in the past either, manipulating poor people and shaming them from altar when reading out how much each family paid to church collections. The only reason ye all shouting now is that the truth is all over the newspapers and internets and phones and there’s not a damn thing they can do about it, Thank God. No more covering up in the modern world we live in.

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Pat would you say there to be a link between innuendo and a lack of celibacy on a Priests behalf?
Surely priests should not be discussing or joking about sexual things or why would it constantly on their mind?
Our parish priest is widely known to make innuendo remarks all the time and I feel this highly unprofessional.
My sister and I were chatting to him in the summer past, and my sister said “it’s a great day to be out and about” and he responded “get the bikes out and get riding all day” and started chuckling really rather creepily.
It was so uncomfortable, and as a rather big lady, I’m sure he would be aware my days of cycling a bike are long gone.

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I think you just have a dirty mind. What is wrong with riding a bike on a good day? He was probably joking about all three of your ages. Get a life and a sense of humour.

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Fr Rory Coyle & Fr Jerry Carey are 2 School Chaplins with the same obsession for exposing themselves to families & ex pupils whilst being protected & financed by their Diocese.

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Next time I’m in London I’m going to stand outside the Servites, with Grindr on, to see who is on it. Isn’t that what Channel 4 did in Maynooth?

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Goodbye party tonight for Bishop Treanor. Just for clerics of the diocese. A good turnout expected to say farewell.

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Does anyone have any juicy information on the current Maynooth gang? Share it
Two have already been caught sleeping with each other and it’s been brushed under the carpet. The Icelandic one has put a complaint in about sexual advances by a fellow seminarian.

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You are so full of it haha
If there’s one good thing to say about Maynooth it is that if that happened we’d all know.

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In 2001, there were 22 in the Maynooth ordination class. How many of them are still in ministry? I can identify at least three who have left but the departure figure is probably a good bit higher. What is going so badly wrong with the selection and training of our seminarians?

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Men of good temperament, stable and wishing well, now have more employment and life opportunities than they used to. There is also less pressure to become a priest.
This means good, competent men are going into other careers.
Once upon a time it was difficult to leave seminary but now they do.
The other thing which is never mentioned in the hand wringing is that for decades the Irish church exported its real duds. This is one of the reasons there’s been so much abuse in the US – look at all the Irish names but also note the numbers born or trained in Ireland. The Irish church can no longer export its problems so much.
The result of all this is that the duds are now the ones coming forward. They can’t make a life for themselves for whatever reason, so get ordained because the church gets desperate. Then they don’t leave until it unravels and the church doesn’t get rid of them.

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4:52 certain types of men join the priesthood because there is no other occupation where their penchant for stalking, harassing, slandering would be facilitated & proactively encouraged by their lay & ordained peers. In all other employment it recognised as a legally actionable offence.

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Derek Gormley Achonry, Alan Burke Galway, Martin Timoney Raphoe, Anthony Mc Mahon & Maurice Harmon- Killaloe, JJ Doyle Ferns, Tom Bierney cloyne, Conor Mahon Derry & John Horkan never made it to the altar.. now there’e a story worth pursuing bishop Pat!! I’m sure there is more..

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4:58 what did make it to the altar and are still there despite publicly available information that they are in breach of canon and civil law is of far more concern and interest because they continue to present a clear and present danger to the wider communities.

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The RCC have had little to do with God for a very long time indeed.
During Cromwell’s time they raided monasteries and churches and stole lots of valuables and took the church’s land. Ordinary people were not bothered because the feeling was the church had too much money and power anyway, even back then, and had little interest in religion. Nothing much has changed except simple minded sheep keep going and handing over the dosh. It is one of the greatest pities in Irish history that religious men were in power after the civil war and let the church run riot.

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Reminds me of the nasty Paul Farrer of the Diocese of Middlebrough who was found to have abused seminarians!

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I know in my heart and head that I am called to priest hood, the problem is that I keep meeting the wrong vocations directors. Most are in it as an office job, and are too old and frail to give direction. One told me that the RCC is no longer recruiting as they want to shut the door. Too many abuse cases and no interest. The media has eaten into the very heart of what church is all about. Priesthood is on a downward spiral and there doesn’t seem to be anyone who can save it. It is never brought up in career guidance even in catholic colleges. In the U.K there is a big surge in church of England recruitment due to mainly the cost of living crisis..

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‘One told me that the RCC is no longer recruiting as they want to shut the door. Too many abuse cases and no interest.’
I think we’ve finally found the elusive ‘good’ priest, or at least one with an insight into the effect of the crisis.

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@ 2:38pm

You’ll find it’s no different with the Anglicans, you hear all time about all these naughty vicars and choir boy’s durty buggers. Proof that celibacy is not the problem since most of them are married.

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7.07
Don’t exaggerate, dear.
No, we don’t hear ‘all the time’ of any such thing about Anglicans.
And, yes, celibacy is very much the problem, or a large part of it. Humans are sexual beings (though, in your case, a characteristic neurotically suppressed, I suspect) and, therefore, have need of sexual outlet. Paul recognised this, which is why he urged marriage on those for whom sexual passions were just too acute for self-control, even though, as a rule of thumb, he counselled against marriage for being a distraction from the imminent second coming of Christ.
So you see, dear, you are quite patently wrong.

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4:45 Newly ordained recruits addicted to dating apps, deviant conduct, zero respect for parishioners, predator mentality in a cynical and deceptive culture, no, make that cult.

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Of course, all this chatter about vocation pre-ordination
and instantaneous vocation (by virtue of the sacramental exercise itself) means that God knowingly, even willingly, calls paedophiles/ephebophiles to the priesthood, along with homosexuals (active or not, God doesn’t care a jot). Now since Benedict and Francis both clearly instructed that candidates with deep-seated homosexuality should not even be in seminary, let alone be ordained, and as popes are greater than God ontologically (which, of course, everyone who is anyone knows), why does God behave in such anti-papal ways?
(Shuddering) Has God ‘lost his way’?
On a serious note, these are some of the questions raised by claims that God vocates men to the priesthood, and that he even desires priesthood.
I have yet to receive a sensible answer to them.
Pointing to Jesus’ flawed choices in the Apostles is not an answer, because we have no evidence that Jesus had supernatural insight into the moral character of his picked men, much less prophetic knowledge of their moral future.
If you run with the conviction that God wants priesthood, you present God as a Neronian halfwit who rejoices in not just building his church on Simon Peter, but on similtaneously tearing it down.
Insane or what? 🤔

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@ 7:30pm
No exaggeration at all Dear it’s constantly in the media you’re just ignoring it because it does not suit your agenda. I suspect that your neurosis is because you can’t get any sexual outlet yourself. Anyway I’m right and you’re wrong accept it Dear you’ll feel better and less neurotic.😏

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“There is no such thing as a perfect priest or bishop.
We are all flawed. We all suffer from inadequacies, defects of character, and multiple types of weaknesses.”
Fr. Tom Deenihan is definitely far from perfect. The Episcopal seat in the Royal county is effectively vacant at this time. Fr. Tom Deenihan must reflect on his morally reprehensible treatment of Dom Benedict Andersen, the true Prior of Silverstream. The support that Fr. Declan Hurley, Fr. Joe Gallagher and Fr. Paul Connell have offered for Deenihan’s diocesan delegation of deception is very concerning.

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5:07 the priests you mention are invested in the overall abusive culture of the Roman Catholic Church.

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5.07: Mr. Feck Obsessed is back again. Since God’s grace seems not to networking, go to a professional therapist. You are a total bore re: your hatred for the Bishop. Grow up, Sea.y boy!! 👨👨👨👨👨👨👦👦👦….

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Please check your email, Pat. This is regarding the urgent A&B safeguarding issue. It may have gone into your junk mail.

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This sending of emails about A&B safeguarding will not have gone unnoticed by + Moth. He’ll be keeping an eye on this blog so that he knows what is being said. Bishops get a drift of what is happening in their dioceses from the blog.

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5:58 don’t waste your time with Safeguarding in the Diocese, report any concerns to the police and request regular updates.

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Police are fully aware and are investigating, but this individual continues to enjoy living in the presbytery and a public ministry role.

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7:47 Innocent until proven guilty. Except in the case of Fr Jerry Carey in Killaloe who remains on Killaloe contacts at Bishops residence despite his court appearance and suspended sentence.

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8:26pm the evidence is fully public. She is attacking, harassing, and threatening people. She is a danger to the public.

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I saw someone asking about the new D&C seminarians, I’ve not met them, but heard positive things.
All 3 went to Valladolid last year!
1)Brian Wilson (VEC)
2)Thomas Hampton (Beta)
3) Ciaran Corrigan ( Maynooth)
Interesting how Nolly 🤔 sent them to different places…. Anyone know them?

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Clare County Council & Fianna Fáil are subsidising Mark Nestor in Valladolid. His seat in Clare County Council has been filled by businessman, Tom O’Callaghan.

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Where do you get the information that Clare County Council is subsidising Mark Nestor?

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10.09pm
You have not spelt it out. Hard to believe a council or political party would subsidise a seminarian.

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I have such happy memories of growing up in Knockanore parish co Waterford i the early 1950. I was an alter boy and my mom was the sactricstan in Kilwatermoy. We looked forward so much to the activities in the church and respected our local priests.Then on special occasions my mom would take me Mount Melleray have a lovely lunch served by the monks at that time there were 130 monks and it was like a different world.Fr Luke was the go to guy for confessions he gave short penance.All was not bad in the church in those days and the memories i have have sustained me during the years..I have attended other denomination here in US but always return to The Catholic Church.During my last visit to Tallow I went to Mount Mellary this time by car cant ride a bike any more ,had a pint at the Cats Pub said a prayer in the monastery church saw a handful of elderly monks praying together all getting ready ready for their well deserved reward in Heaven.They did make a difference…

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From today’s Irish times (17/01/2023)
He seems to have spent a little time in both the Dominican novicate, followed by a stint in Augustinian formation:
Hearing the call to God, and then hearing the call to go
Neil Fox began the process to become a priest at the age of 32 but left the seminary four years later
Neil Fox: ‘I started feeling disconnected from God and from my faith because of, in my view, some odd behaviours within the priesthood and within some of the seminary’
NEIL FOX: ‘I STARTED FEELING DISCONNECTED FROM GOD AND FROM MY FAITH BECAUSE OF, IN MY VIEW, SOME ODD BEHAVIOURS WITHIN THE PRIESTHOOD AND WITHIN SOME OF THE SEMINARY’
Neil Fox thought about becoming a priest when he was a child.
His family were not overly religious, but he attended Mass, by choice, with his grandad on a regular basis. ”I probably was more prayerful as a child than maybe the average child,” he says.
In his 20s, Fox didn’t quite fit the stereotype of someone who might be associated with the priesthood. “I was working in Arnotts. I used to go in really hungover from the night before, out partying, and yet I’d be saying ,‘I think I should become a priest’, and they [his friends] couldn’t marry the two,” he laughs.
He was 32, however, by the time he actively looked into joining the priesthood. The death of his mother from cancer at just 51 was followed closely by the deaths of a friend and his grandad. This proved to be a catalyst to begin the process.
His family and friends were mostly very supportive of his plans. The sex abuse scandals within the church “puts people off going into the priesthood”, Fox says and the fear “of being tarred with the same brush. The only negative comments I got when I was going in were, ‘Do you really want to get involved with an organisation that covered up or were seen to cover up that?’ My feeling was to change things, it’s better to be on the inside and to be part of something. And the same with other issues.”
But, he concedes, “it’s a noble thought, but when you’re in there, it’s a lot trickier”.
Fox found life at the seminary to be quite different to his expectations. “There were 12 of us in most classes. People go in for genuine reasons 99 per cent [of the time]” he says, but adds: “if you’re living in more rural parts, the priesthood still is a sort of status thing, so you got that a little bit. Or people who are very rigid, sort of black and white thinking. They can be drawn to it more for the rules and regulations side of things.”
Some of the discussions that took place during classes surprised Fox. “There was one seminarian who was obsessed with hell. I was there during Trump [versus Clinton] . . . There were two of us, possibly three, that wouldn’t have been in favour of Donald Trump, but everyone else was very for him. In my view, there’d have been a negative attitude towards people who were on social welfare and things like that, which really surprised me. There was a lack of empathy towards the messiness of life.”
Most of his lecturers in Maynooth were priests. “It’s a very male-dominated place. But it’s not macho men. It’s like going into a different world.”
On the positive side, “it was lovely to be around people who did have a faith”, Fox says. “There was a kinship in that. Also, the sense that we were all called to do something.”
Rigid views
However, Fox struggled with some of the teachings. “I always felt they were a bit too black and white. If you do become a priest, in general, you’re sent out to communities where people have all sorts of issues and things going on in their lives that don’t fit into the religious sort of bubble.”
Even on things often fundamentally associated with the church, Fox struggled to adapt to the rigid views. He was involved with the pro-life movement at one point, but says “I dis-involved myself with all that because I felt it was too one dimensional. And life isn’t like that. I remain friends with a lot of people in that group and I have a lot of respect for the work they do. I actually abstained. I didn’t vote in the referendum.”
While Fox was in the seminary, his sister Donna died at the age of 30. “She was hit by a delivery lorry while cycling to work in Dublin city. She died at the scene. I was meant to meet her the next day in Dublin for lunch. It was a horrendous experience. Most of the religious order I was involved with were wonderful and sent cards and letters and some came to the funeral.”
But in spite of the fact that Donna’s death was on the news, “not one of the lads from Maynooth came to the funeral”.
“I suppose it was a turning point. In early grief you’re kind of all over the place. You’re shell-shocked, especially when it’s a sudden death . . . I just thought at the worst moments of your life, if you don’t feel comfortable where you are, there’s something wrong.
“It was a gradual thing. I didn’t want to leave, actually. I continued with my studies there but I wasn’t happy where I was living. I wanted to move, to stay in the order, but to move to Dublin because I was nearer friends, just for that period of time, for about six months or so, and that was vetoed.
“I started feeling disconnected from God and from my faith because of, in my view, some odd behaviours within the priesthood and within some of the seminary. I was just shocked that they didn’t know how to listen or be there. The deeper conversations were with atheists or people who weren’t particularly involved.”
“Donna was gay,” he explains. “I don’t know if that was part of the issue, people didn’t know what to say. Donna was in a happy relationship for the last two years or so of her life. I remember thinking at that point that the actual church teaching would have been very against that. So I just felt I can’t marry that with my own faith, or my own feeling of what Jesus would think.”
A year later, after more than four years of religious life, Fox left the seminary.
Sexuality had a big part to play in Fox’s decision, he explains, as he is also gay. “I didn’t consciously try to go into the priesthood in my early 30s to get away from being gay, but, with hindsight, it was a big part of it. I would have had what I would term internalised homophobia. I’d no homophobic feelings towards anybody else, but I probably did towards myself. I felt I shouldn’t be this way, I need to change that.
“This is probably the first time I’ve ever said it.”
Hypocrisy
Fox says while he can’t say what exact percentage of priests are gay, “an awful lot are. In this part of the world, I’d say the majority. That doesn’t mean that they say they are, but there is hypocrisy.
“The majority of Irish priests are very quiet on the issue [of homosexuality]. Privately, they wouldn’t have a huge problem with it . . . there’s a sense that the church is being ridiculous on it.
“During the marriage referendum it was very clear the church had no energy about it. They weren’t going to be listened to. People have friends, sons, daughters, grandparents, great-grandchildren who are gay and they see their lives.
“The whole idea of Christianity is to love one another. Donna’s death just brought it to the fore for me. I would have lost a level of faith while I was involved in Maynooth and the religious orders, and I always said that if that happens, I would leave.”
Fox has been in a relationship for the past year with another man. “When you care about somebody, you love somebody, you make each other happy, I don’t see anything wrong in that and I don’t feel that is against my faith. For me, the saddest part is so many people who are gay feel that they can’t go to church or they can’t be a part of something that perhaps they would get a lot of solace from being involved in.
“I’m always very conscious of not tarring everyone with the same brush,” Fox says. “There are amazing people in the church. There’s a lot of good, but I think the institutional end itself and the hierarchy and the technical church teachings are a big issue, and I didn’t want to be seen to promote that. That’s why I wouldn’t go back.
“I go to Mass most days. It’s part of my life and I’m glad it is. I would encourage anyone else who’s gay, who feels in anyway drawn to the church, not to feel they can’t be a part, because Jesus was all about the marginalised. He wasn’t about the pious.”

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