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Chorus against George Pell louder than the media singing his praises

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WHILE GEORGE PELL is firing up downstairs, so to speak, up here in Purgatory, we’re being tortured by Australian media outlets telling us he was a ‘polarising figure’. The Sydney Morning Herald first described him that way and the rest of mainstream media has since followed suit. 

I understand prestige media’s pressure to present as impartial — the phrase serves a diplomatic purpose that at least alludes to Pell’s monstrous life and deeds. And it runs better in print than, say, “near-universally reviled figure” or “paedophile champion”.

If there really are two “poles” of reflection on Pell’s life, let it be known that I am on whatever pole the paedophile champions aren’t on.

I acknowledge as a layperson that this moment must be conflicting and painful for the many victims of Catholic Church abuse in Australia. It must be hard to tune in to the cheering of so many others, given everything this evil man meant to them. But I hope they take solace from the fact that 99% of us are on their side, rather than the meagre – if powerful and very loud – other faction.

On that other “pole”, a small army of the elite is running desperate cover for Pell’s legacy. They’re being very high-pitched about how great Pell was.

The headlines alone are dripping wet for Pell, describing him in the following ways: Christian gentleman; a great servant; a ‘colossus; a good Christian soulGod’s strong manfearless disciple; and Full of beans‘ (no thanks)

WHILE GEORGE PELL is firing up downstairs, so to speak, up here in Purgatory, we’re being tortured by Australian media outlets telling us he was a ‘polarising figure’. The Sydney Morning Herald first described him that way and the rest of mainstream media has since followed suit. 

I understand prestige media’s pressure to present as impartial — the phrase serves a diplomatic purpose that at least alludes to Pell’s monstrous life and deeds. And it runs better in print than, say, “near-universally reviled figure” or “paedophile champion”.

If there really are two “poles” of reflection on Pell’s life, let it be known that I am on whatever pole the paedophile champions aren’t on.

I acknowledge as a layperson that this moment must be conflicting and painful for the many victims of Catholic Church abuse in Australia. It must be hard to tune in to the cheering of so many others, given everything this evil man meant to them. But I hope they take solace from the fact that 99% of us are on their side, rather than the meagre – if powerful and very loud – other faction.

On that other “pole”, a small army of the elite is running desperate cover for Pell’s legacy. They’re being very high-pitched about how great Pell was.

I know he spent much of his career either ignoring or deliberately obfuscating complaints of child sexual abuse. I know he ignored paedophilia while working in the same building as several of Australia’s most notorious paedophile priests, even as they actively passed little boys amongst themselves.

I’m aware he was more preoccupied with “evil” abortion, evil contraception, evil homosexuality and evil Marxism. And that he instigated a church response to these many claims of abuse which was not only inadequate but which prioritised underpaying and silencing victims. He supported paedophile priests more than victims. Many victims of church sexual abuse died under his watch. I know, even as a layperson, Pell did a lot of evil.

So it’s astounding to watch an army of media outlets – many of which are ordinarily defined by their disingenuous populism and political slipperiness – decide that defending a dead paedophile champion is the hill worth dying on.

Australia led the way in bringing church abuse to mainstream conversation when Julia Gillard announced the Royal Commission. Pell’s “Melbourne response”, as terrible as its effect on victims was, at least appeared to ratify that it was time for everybody to consider the claims — and that put Australia on the map in a worldwide conversation about Catholic child abuse.

But Australia is also notorious for having dropped the ball on victims – High Court technicalities, measly $50,000 church payouts and a legacy of silenced victims meant Pell got away with so much, as did the church. It was devastating for victims and their loved ones. 

Some of us might have turned to fantasy and conspiracy to resolve these tensions, but, for most of us, we’ve only been able to wait — whether for civil action against Pell to conclude or some other tangible outcome.

Now he’s dead and in hell. It’s imperfect, but it feels like an outcome — 99 % of us are overjoyed.

PAT SAYS

George Pell should have been given a very private funeral with no fuss.

He may have been cleared by the High Court on a technicality – but he was waa previously convicted by a jury of his peers.

PLUS He covered up abuse for decades as a priest, bishop, an archbishop, and a cardinal.

He was an RC PROTECTOR, and the RC protected him in life and in death.

In the end, they are trying to canonise him 😢

I am not persuaded…….

113 replies on “Chorus against George Pell louder than the media singing his praises”

An excellent, even handed article, Pat. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
Incidentally it quotes some more interesting examples of church speak: ’Christian gentleman‘; a ‘great servant’; a ‘colossus’; a ‘good Christian soul‘; ‘God’s strong man‘; ‘fearless disciple‘;
Surely I don’t need to tell anyone reading this that these translate to ‘monster who the faithful are behind all the way.

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the daily reminder that RC Church and related activities are a real and present danger for young impressionable and vulnerable groups which is a great shame as there has never been a greater need for “safe spaces” for our youth in the midst of rapidly rising street crime, unprovoked knife attacks, one punch death inducing attacks. All in all the Roman Catholic Church no longer does what it says on the tin, it has irretrievably and deservedly lost the trust of the majority and rising as day after day more revelations of past and current coverups of unresolved abuse emerge worldwide.

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+Lugs Monohan must be raging last night to be an item on main RTE news. His cash sale of St. Flannans property has run into problems with past and former staff. His stooge Friggy his imposed principal wasn’t able to quell the revolt. Lugs needs this land sale to pay up compo and salary to all the Killaloe diocese mias.. michael harding.. pat treacy.. jerry carey
. Ger fitzgerald.. des hillery.. tom o gorman..all have to be paid and kept im the style they have been accustomed to..

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He’s not Cardinal Filth, he’s Cardinal Pell, a man who stands innocent in law after having had his life dissected by the media and the law courts over the last few years, and has been definitively declared in law as being innocent, not guilty and a free man. That’s what we should be looking at. Not trying to imagine all sorts of things against him just so that he can be brought low at any cost Why, I wonder, is there such a visceral hatred and desire to bring down Cardinal Pell ? It bemuses me. I feel great compassion for him, as I do for those who have been abused in any place or time. But, you do not salve, appease, heal the latter by filleting the former irrespective of the evidence and justice.

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You’re away with the fairies, you are.

Pell was guilty. The overturning of his conviction, ON A LEGAL TECHNICALITY, was a gross miscarriage of justice.

There is no appeal where he is now.

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7.56
Wrong. Pell was not declared innocent by the Victoria High court: his conviction for orally raping a 13-year-old boy and for sexually assaulting another was merely ruled unsafe. The two do not mean the same.

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It bemuses me, 7.56, that you are bemused about why there is such strong feeling against Cardinal Pell.
You still don’t get it, Father, do you? Nor do you want to.

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7:56 Truth and Justice are a basic human right for those and their families impacted by criminality regardless of the timeframe, Father. Murder and fraud are criminal matters and great credit is due to policing authorities across the world who frequently solve crimes decades after they happened.

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Anonymoussays:
Feb 7, 2023 at 7:56 am.
I beg to differ. He was no good, the world and children are well rid of him.
Why do you think Richter, Pell’s own lawyer stated in court, involving Pell’s vanilla sex with the two choir boys?
Do you not find that an extraordinary statement from Pell’s own defence?
Pell knew of child sexual abuse by other Australian sexual pervert priest, and did nothing as was stated in the 5 year inquiry into The Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse
Again an exceptionally odd remark by Pell regarding child sex abuse ‘A sad story and it wasn’t of much interest to me’: Cardinal Pell tells Royal Commission, Mother of God! You couldn’t make it up.
1)
George Pell’s lawyer says child abuse was ‘plain vanilla’ sex …https://www.theguardian.com › australia-news › feb › c…
26 Feb 2019
2)
Pell know of Australian Roman Catholic sexual abuser priest involving children and did nothing as he stated to the Royal commission
Cardinal Pell ‘knew of’ clergy abuse, says Australian royal commission
Published 7 May 2020
3)
George Pell: what the five-year royal commission into child sexual abuse found
Un-redacted report released in 2020 revealed how archbishop failed to take proper steps to act on complaints about dangerous priests

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You are absolutely right, QP. It WAS an extraordinary statement by Pell’s own lawyer, and it disclosed, probably unintentionally, what was really on his mind about the accusation against Pell. It was careless of the lawyer, but it was also a serendipitous moment for the Prosecution, and for the watching world.
Pell was guilty; of this I have absolutely no doubt.

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@9.59am (🥃 alert)

Wrong. The Birmingham Six were not declared innocent by the Court of Appeal: their conviction for pub bombings was merely ruled unsafe. The two do not mean the same.

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Not a legal technicality. The case against him was eviscerated in the minority judgment is the first appeal while the two other judges put in shoddy performances. The final acquittal was unanimous from the highest court. It would be just as easy and just as wrong to say the Birmingham 6 and the Guildford 4 got off on technicalities.

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GF off the website so there has to have been a payoff. 15 years as a priest he defo got a lump of dosh

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Fr Fitzgerald served far less than 15 years, ordained June 2011, removed from parish May 2020. In 2016 he denied the truth about Maynooth in an interview with the Irish Independent newspaper. He was involved in Ennis schools, the Holy Family primary and Ennis Community College.

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11.25 Ger Fitzgerald is out of Killaloe but has he been pawned off onto another Diocese? Or maybe he’s over with his family in England and trying to join up with the Anglicans? Waiting to see where he resurfaces. He can’t stay underground forever 😉.

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6:27 he’s not gone, RCC move priests around, that’s not at all the same thing. Past loyalties are rewarded. Zero regard for potential endangerment in other locations.

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This is the daily reminder that RC Church and related activities are a real and present danger for young impressionable and vulnerable groups which is a great shame as there has never been a greater need for “safe spaces” for our youth in the midst of rapidly rising street crime, unprovoked knife attacks, one punch death inducing attacks. All in all the Roman Catholic Church no longer does what it says on the tin, it has irretrievably and deservedly lost the trust of the majority and rising as day after day more revelations of past and current coverups of unresolved abuse emerge worldwide.

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Bishop Monahan is very supportive of all of his priests and staff and volunteers throughout his Diocese.

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Why doesn’t Bishop Monahan sell off all those vacant houses and buildings to pay off his priests tarts in County Clare.
He shouldn’t be interfering with the school land at our local school. Our teachers and staff work very hard in increasingly challenging times. Shame on Bishop Monahan and his greedy uncaring colleagues. It’s one scandal after another from their quarters at this stage. The Killaloe Swingers, Fr Jerry Carey, Fr Gerard Fitzgerald, Fr Des Hillery using his influence for Fr Michael Collins who is now back from Maynooth and stationed in Killaloe. Fr Des Hillery is listed as on sabbatical now, what’s the real story there, is he off working the wheels for this planning application?? There is absolutely no way that St Flannans College can afford to let this land go as the school is already beyond capacity.

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Fr Ignatius McCormack, Principal, St Flannans College, Ennis, Co Clare at centre of planning row with teachers, staff and parents.says:

Fr Iggy is also the Diocesan Director of Vocations for the Diocese of Killaloe and is also the President of St Flannans College, Ennis. Bishop Fintan Monahan appointed Fr Iggy McCormack as principal of St Flannans College shortly after his arrival as Bishop of Killaloe. This appointment was approved by the Board of Trustees at St Flannans College. The principal that Fr McCormack replaced at St Flannans took up a new appointment as Principal of Glenstal Abbey School in Murroe, Co. Limerick. Ms Carmel Honan had worked at St Flannans College for 27 years, the last five as Principal of St Flannans College. Fr McCormack and Bishop Monahan were born in Co Offaly. The current President of Ireland, Michael D Higgins is a past pupil of St Flannans College.

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The thing that strikes me deepest about Pell is that his publisher decscribed his prison scribblings as a ‘spiritual classic’. 😅😅😅😅😅

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Don’t say that, it’ll set the church off on a new scam, publishing all its clerics’ prison scribblings for the edification of the ‘faithful’.
Basically ‘I didn’t do it and I’m innocent ‘.

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2:15 No. There is no relevance at all.
It’s not my fault you’re bitter that he revealed what you did. 😂

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He would, wouldn’t he?

The prospect of making loads of money from the prison musings of a vile pervert talks almost as loudly as the currency itself.

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Was GP speaking up for Det Ryan in 1982? And why did he later not use his authority properly as metropolitan? (Because it was too late to stop colleagues’ revenge?) How many people did he teach to pray?

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Educate yourself
The internet is your friend.
You clearly don’t know the basics so one wonders who directed you to this blog………
You clearly didn’t find it on your own

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Great article thanks for flagging it up.

Classic own goal by Australian Catholic Church who has a rabid right wing and intransigent element.

The optics of a virtual state funeral – yes I know it was church but they spared no expense and made Pell seem like a folk hero.

And here’s why: deep down in the bowels of every Catholic bishop is an utter contempt and disdain for victims of child abuse who they believe should keep stum – because keeping quiet, covering up and the darkness is their preferred way.

Yes, if you have deep pockets, you can stretch the legal and appeal process to breaking point and win on a technicality but that doesn’t make you innocent and GP was not an Innocent.

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I hope the RC institutional church does canonise Paedo Pell, because it will be the final nail in its coffin. And it is stubborn enough to do so. (Deo Gratias!👍)

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8:56 I’m hoping they canonise him too, for the same reason.
He could be the patron of men who wander naked in changing rooms swinging their bits for everyone to have a look instead of changing sensibly in a way that doesn’t draw attention to your genitals.
We can have a seance and get Fr Foster translate this into Latin.

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It’s bizzare that Pels eternal destiny is being speculated on – the journalist did it as a comic device but thankfully the wise leave such judgement to God and God alone.
What interests me about Pell is how much did his court case and subsequent appeals cost and where did the money come from?

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Nonsense. Paul the Ap was categorical about who would, and who would not, enter the Kingdom of Heaven. No doubt you would call him wise, but was he God?
If Paul can do it, so can everyone else.

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Prestige media never an impartial,always loaded with their bias one way or another. Its very rare nowadays to see the media particularly a prestige one with strictly an impartial view.
Was sickened to see some die hard Catholic media journalists defending and also praising Pell. They don’t get it re victims suffering and its lifelong consequences from abuses. The more they interact and interviewed with the main establishment, the more they are embedded with them. Thus their favourism and also their bias as well re favourable views towards the establishment including the rcc as well.
Rcc have very very deep pockets to defend Pell in contrast to victims who can’t match them in terms of 💰💰💰💰💰💰💰. That said it puts many victims at greater disadvantage in order to achieve their justice.
First off, I believed victims story especially the one who died. His father is still going ahead with his court case despite Pell’s death.
One thing that media prestige dont get it was that Pell himself never reported it to the police when he was a priest or a Bishop or a cardinal. My argument was that he must have seen it and also heard about it as well BUT failed or didn’t report DIRECTLY to the police in order to protect their institution’s name and their reputation as well. He merely reported to his church practically his bosses,nothing more or less.
There was an old saying, ‘ it takes years perhaps centuries to build up their repution and, in event re case of very bad publicity which can be taken down very quickly re years or centuries of their reputation obliterated in just 5 minutes’ . They will have to start it all over again to restore their reputational damage as that will take years or centuries to recover from it fully.
The way rcc is going at today rate, attrition rate which I mean. I don’t think rcc would survive if it continues like that in next 50 years after we are gone. It’s rcc who is taking a huge battering especially in Europe, America and Australia, which leaves the remaining bits such as Africa or Philippines or Latin America.

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He did, through his terrible drug addiction and death through overdose, you total fool.

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Pell is history. His history is a very controversial one in all sorts of ways. It is a divided and divisive history. It was ever going to be with someone like Pell, who I think courted being divisive and combative. It was his style. I am not sure that it is a way of being or communicating that gets anybody anywhere useful. It just puts people in to the trenches and endless attritional warfare, bleeding each other dry, until both sides fall by the wayside exhausted. A wasteful use of energy and time. However, it is still the way most things appear to be fought out. Especially in the Church. It exhausts me, and has led me to disengage myself increasingly from the divisive doctrinal and moral issues that dominate the public space at the present time, seeing them as peripheral to what is really significant and important in a Christian life. I simply do not care anymore about anybody’s sexuality or gender or relationship status or liturgical preferences. Or what they do with their sexual bits and drives and with each other. So long as it is consensual and does not do harm to another. I don’t think God does either. I care about finding ways of engaging with people that lead us to respect, honesty, truthfulness, integrity, community, solidarity and love. I’m not going to find that if I go around bashing people about whom they love, how they make love, how they celebrate the liturgy or any of the other pointless arguments I could have with people. As to damaging and dysfunctional behaviour, to dishonesty, lack of integrity, hypocrisy etc., as we see laid out in this blog daily, we do require some red lines which need to be implemented by those whose job it is to do so, namely wise and sane and compassionate bishops and leaders. That is a difficult job. Sadly, we don’t seem to have many of those and so these issues are allowed to fester and cause further damage. It is a real skill, sadly lacking, knowing how to deal with those issues in a constructive way. Oh, how I long for a calm, peaceful, respectful life where I can simply love and get along with others around me….. And so, I prefer not to have to think about Pell and the way that he did things.

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So, tell me what else I should be concentrating on, then ? What other important issues do you think I should be concerned with ? I’d be interested to know. I suspect that you just want more blood letting and anger at things and people that upset you. Well, that is just going to exhaust you and be an endless, thankless misuse of energy and time. I note on this blog that any attempt to introduce balance and an alternative way of seeing things elicits angry and nasty responses. I guess it’s indicative of the state we have got ourselves in to whereby anything reasonable is considered to be offensive, and the only currency that is in circulation is nastiness, anger, vitriol and bile. Good luck with that !

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11:29 I am not 10:03 or 10:23.
It never fails to strike me what more RCs could do about abuse is very obvious to me but you seem to have literally no idea what else you could do, both in attitude and action.
How is it possible to be so lacking in both empathy and imagination, and yet still claim to have any understanding of humanity?

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9:33 Victims of clerical abuse do not have your “choices” Father. How nice for you to cynically create your “own little world” where you are “paid abd incentivised to fail those living with the consequences of church related abuse and ongoing corruptive practices.

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I don’t believe I was suggesting that victims of clerical sexual abuse should not be a concern and be treated fairly and justly, also that those who commit these crimes should not be brought to justice. If you read carefully, I think you will see that I say that there should be red lines and there should be people whose role it is to see that integrity, honesty and justice are attended to, especially where people are harmed. Actually, most sexual abuse has little to do with sexuality or inclination, it has to do with abuse of power, authority and criminal intent. So, I think it is perfectly consistent to make an appeal for us to stop obsessing about such things as sexuality and judging people on their differences and diversity, as well as being tough on behaviours which are criminal and damaging and sexual abuse which is a crime. Alles klar ?!

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10.03 and 10.23: I found the comments from 9.33 very insightful and relevant. You both deliberately miss his message. Every day on this blog we get “bitchfests” with horrible narratives, full of venom, hatred and poison. Full too of gossip and hearsay and false conjectures and accusations. The truth is necessary but not in the manner of silly, putrid and infantile commentary. I’m quite certain that the commenter does his work well and focuses on the essentials – caring for those entrusted to him – first and foremost – and I’m quite certain too that his caring embraces all who suffer in any way, including those who were abused, unlike the laptop warriors of hate in this blog. You two commenters should find useful work to do.

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11.23: Again, you make perfect sense. Thank you.The haters of Catholic priests and of the church want all of us smashed into the ground. They are facilitated too much on this blog. And I’m pretty sure some of these haters haven’t a care in the world about victims of abuse. You can tell by their repeat venomous verbiage. So, you and I and all other many good priests will be as pastorally caring to all – inclusively.

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I wouldn’t bother trying to engage with the loopers, CINOs, failed sems, alkies, loners, losers and liars who comprise the blog commentariat.

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7.45
You’ve just described Romanist priests to an absolute tee. I shouldn’t want to engage with them either. 🙄

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7:45 You mean the blog you’re commenting on? 🤔😂
This is where Catholic™️ education gets you, folks.

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The legal technicality on which Pell’s unanimous conviction was ruled unsafe did not make him innocent.
Learn the difference between ‘innocent’ and ‘unsafe conviction’.

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11:09 Shush, don’t interrupt a Roman Catholic when they’re demonstrating that they think innocent= not convicted. 9:50 might even demonstrate how well they understand safeguarding.

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Anonymoussays:
Feb 7, 2023 at 9:50 am
You may find your answer here.
How George Pell won in the High Court on a legal technicality
Published: April 7, 2020 3.23am BST

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5.37: Think you need a little TLC…you seem desolate and forlorn and confused. I care for you…😁😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😆😆…give me your number..🤤🤤🤤🤓🤓🤓…

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https://www.ncronline.org/vatican/vatican-news/pope-clarifies-homosexuality-and-sin-comments-note
See what a confused mess even the Pope gets in to when he starts to talk about sexuality, sex, relationships, homosexuality, marriage etc. It is such a minefield. I do wonder why we don’t just get to a point of saying that people are what they are, full stop. And we love them as they are, full stop. And we don’t need to calculate their degree of sinfulness, full stop. Let’s for the sake of God, just get over it. Why create an industry of confusion and division over who and what people are, and how they live and love ? Actually, I think most people these days in their families and friendship groups have got to this stage. They are not obsessing about whether their son, daughter, friend has a particular identity or way of living and loving. They just accept it, and concentrate on the relationship and the goodness it brings. Maybe the Pope and the Church have something to learn from these good people ?

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‘Why create an industry of confusion and division over who and what people are, and how they live and love ?’
You seem confused, 10:00. Create an industry? This is the church’s key industry and always has been, that and seeking power.
If you make people think there’s something wrong with them and create guilt they’ll do what you say to try to get right. It’s called a scam.

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At least the old pig didn’t get a state funeral. Victorian Premier, Daniel Andrews, has said that Pell will not get a state funeral in Victoria out of respect for the victims of abuse.

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I think Andrews publicly declared his belief in Pell’s accuser after Pell’s conviction was overturned.

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9.33: An excellent contribution, the kind that this blog requires instead of the shallow, cliched, easy sound bytes and cheap commentary that some engage in at infantile levels. Your argument is very cogent and I agree with you. I too have disengaged from the machinations and Machiavellian politics of Diocesan and clerical life. They drain the energy out of you. While we all know there are hugh moral and spiritual expectations placed on us and that we must behave appropriately and respect boundaries but there’s a horrible voyeurism on this blog which seeks to sexualise every cleric, almost pornographically, words are spoken that deliberately humiliatee, effeminise and devalue many. The truth is always important but it should be sought not my smearing and ridiculing and tearing others apart but with justice and respect. At this stage of my life I concentrate on trying to build up our parish community in every way possible. The horrendous bile poured out at chosen targets on this blog make me wonder what “valuable contribution” any of these nasty commenters make to their community or society. I’ve saud it before that there’s are highly charged, sexual fanatics who seem to depend on this blog for their orgasmic thrills!! They have no real care for TRUTH or JUSTICE. Your observations are so apt and relevant.

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11.19
You’ve been ‘disengaged’ for far too long, Father. There are absolutely no ‘moral and spiritual expectations’ (let alone ‘huge’ ones 😅) of priests these days. We expect nothing on these lines from any of you, and none of you ever fails to satisfy.

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Very disappointed with disingenuous statement on RTE News from Fr Brendan Quinlivan on behalf of the Bishop of Killaloe. I remember him when we were both students at St Flannans College. He has clearly sold his soul to the devil as well.

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9.50am
I understand and here’s the rub that the virtually all cases of sexual abuse boil down to one witness testimony against an other, the other being the defendant- in the rarified air of a Supreme Court the appellant judges ruled that the witness (the other committed suicide) testimony could not prove beyond reasonable doubt that, to put a finer point on it, Pell got his cock out from under his robes and invited (for want of a better term) the boy to fellate him.
The jury on a lower court disagreed and convicted him – two out three appellant judges deemed this not possible- I respectfully disagree but I’m not a Supreme Court Judge.
I believe they got this wrong but that’s how the law and a shed load of money works.

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9.56am
The Catholic Church has consistently refused to declare on individual cases of eternal salvation.
Dare we hope that all will be saved?

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12:46 I hope to God, if she exists, that we’re not all saved. I don’t want any of your crowd wherever I end up. You’ve all spent far too much of this life making life hell on this earth for people.

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Has anyone here actually read the acquittal ? None of Pells witnesses were allowed to give evidence, His MC who was by his side on had his evidence deemed inadmissible. And since when was a Bishop ever alone in a sacristy to abuse after a Sunday Mass ? It was a ridiculous accusation – Sacristies after Sunday Mass at the Cathedral. The Woke left wanted to hang him out to dry – a travesty of Justice. Don’t make me laugh.

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I doubt anyone could make you laugh except by hunting and shooting people. Nonetheless you made me laugh by managing to get the mention of the woke left in.
Pat, your trolls are developing a sense of humour. 😁

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2.00: You are so right. Many haters of the Church despised Cardinal Pell. Many journalists who were non Catholic expressed their concern at the ridiculousness of the witch hunt on Pell. Fantasy imaginations created for malicious intent. Didn’t work, thank God.

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ABSOLUTEIY CORRECT
How in God’s name was it possible for anyone to be sexually abused by a Bishop in the cathedral sacristy with so many people milling around. It is simply not possible.
People need to take off their orange tinted specs, particularly DG or should I say FDS or Francis De Sales.
There is so much anti RCC bigotry starting in Larne.

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Because there weren’t people ‘milling around’ in that sacristy. That’s why Pell took the opportunity, there and then, to kiddy fiddle.
Pell wasn’t just a predatory paedophile, he was also a highly reckless one, a pervert who took risks because his urges were so strong. He threw caution to the wind, not thinking ahead to the possibility that he could be caught. This shows both his hubris, and his psychopathic or sociopathic nature

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Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon him. May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace. Amen.

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12:27 if the critics of the cult only said what y’all wanted to hear, how you wanted to hear it, the bishops would still be shuffling round abusers to reoffend.
Don’t pretend that any of you are open to hear what anyone else has to say when the entire cult has consistently fought against any publicity at all.
The Spotlight reporters were struck how talking to a bishop was exactly like talking to Mafia.

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Pells case is history – he’s hung on a lot more than just his trial and appeal.

What you think he’s gonna be canonised?

The passage of time marches relentlessly and he, like us all, will be forgotten. A mere speck or nano second.

God knows what happened with Pell and Gods light shines into the darkness.

I believe Pell could have sexually abused that boy and I certainly believe that recollections may vary – beyond reasonable doubt – now that is the question.

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4.30

Sorry, but a 6ft 3ins giant forcing his gorged member into the mouth of a terrified 13-year-old boy… I think there is precious little temporal room for divergence of ‘recollections’. It’s the kind of incident that would stand out in the mind of the victim like, well, a gorged member, really.

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As I said, I believe the victim, I believe you mean ‘engorged’ and that’s the point isn’t it with historic sexual crimes recollections do vary – the victim has one recollection, the defendant another. That’s why we have a legal process but I concede to not having the court transcripts one can only rely on media reports.
And of course the high threshold demanded of a criminal prosecution mean that the burden of proof rest with the victim and the prosecution.
In the Pell case your graphic description of the sexual act (how can you know) did not meet the threshold required by the appellate judges.

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5.26

No; I meant ‘gorged’. It means ‘engorged’ in one of its senses. It has a literary provenance.

No, you did not say that you believed Pell’s accuser; what you actually said was ‘I believe Pell COULD have sexually abused that boy’. Along with ‘God knows what happened with Pell’, the impression one cannot help form is that, far from believing Pell’s accuser, you not persuaded, after all, that his allegation is credible.

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I am grateful to have received a family inheritance and have moved on at retirement age. The comments from my former colleagues on this blog do nothing to inspire confidence that there is any hope for renewal in our church. I could not in all conscience encourage any young person to consider a vocation.

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Why was Vatican money transferred to Australia? That is a question which it is imperative that it be addressed.

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Was Vatican money transferred to Australia during the Cardinal Pell controversy?

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Somebody doesn’t know Scotland 😂
Unless, unless… you couldn’t possibly be a troll could you…..

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Just out of curiosity and interest as well, what’s Pell connection to Silverstream 🤷‍♀️🙄

Think Pell was in favour of TLM, correct me if I’m wrong there. He attended TLM ordination in Italy with a certain Peter whose son is a novice in Silverstream.

Pell was a giant, all of 6ft 4 inches of him with 13 years old boy. That boy must be terrified.

After Pell won his appeal, the Vatican curia didn’t want him back in his old job even frankie too. He stayed in Rome instead of Australia, why 🤷‍♀️

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@ 6:38pm
You think too much DG why are you trying to involve Cardinal Pell with TLM?. He was a poly like yourself and only did the NO. You’re to ready to believe what you wont to believe. Now do get back to that sabbatical and give us peace.🥱

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He was welcomed back to his job in Rome. Most people here are spouting inaccuracies about the Pell case. Fortunately court records online correct their mistakes.

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correction: many if not most of the commenters on the Pell case here commit inaccuracies that they could correct by studying the record

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Anon at 8. 24pm
LOLOL. Haven’t been to TLM mass for a while. Pell did TLM in Italy re ordination. Must find a photo that I saw somewhere.
I’m in favour re TLM or NO cos it gives Catholics an option to choose from. Both have pros and cons.
The problem that I have with TLM is its fanaticism who goes too far at times.
My sabbatical will be ad hoc depending on my health, if not well, I won’t bother for a week or two maybe more. If good health, I might contribute depending on what topic is this blog on.
Say If blog on Scottish bishops or give versa, I would give it a miss. Whereas, if it related to abuses, then i might join and contribute it to the discussion thereafter.

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Now showing on Irish channel – RTE1
9:35pm

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There was a certain shamelessness in Pell evident throughout his life. When he confronted Richard Dawkins in public debate, he came across (despite being a cardinal and “prince of the Church”) as arrogant and uninformed, confusing the various early species of humanoid. Dawkins, as polemicist or scientist, certainly deserved better, as did the faith which Pell undertook to defend.
I do not know whether he abused those boys or not, but he was the embodiment of the haughty arrogance and cold cruelty of much Roman Catholicism. He oozed self-satisfaction rather than the spirit of the Nazarene.

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You show very bad faith, Pat, repeating this nonsense of “legal technicality.” It is evident that you do not know the law, but worse: you do not care for the truth.

I have long admired you as a brave whistle blower. You are indeed a brave whistle blower. But I cannot admire you, for you have your cause to trump justice and charity. You have, ironically, fallen into the same error as those you’ve spent your life opposing.

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