ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE
In a novel in-air press conference with the head of the Church of England and the head of the Church of Scotland, Pope Francis repeated his remarks first made on January 25 about the need for an end to anti-sodomy laws.
Noting that some 50 countries have anti-sodomy laws, Francis said as he was returning from a six-day trip to Africa, “The criminalization of homosexuality is a problem that cannot be ignored.”
Rt. Rev. Iain Greenshields, the Moderator of the Church of Scotland, which permits homosexual “marriage” in their churches, praised Francis for his remarks, as did the Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby, the lead bishop of the Church of England, which permits homosexual blessings in their churches. “I entirely agree with every word he said there… I shall certainly quote the Holy Father. He said it so beautifully and accurately,” Welby said.
PAT SAYS
Francis, Greenshields, and Welby are 100 % correct.
Prosecuting, punishing, and killing people for homosexual acts in the 21st century is atrocious and, in fact, a great evil.
In this day and age, there is absolutely no need to be using the word sodomy. It is a loaded word.
AND, many “straight” couples practice anal sex. If they are honest, they will admit it.
LGBT+ human rights are as valid as any other human rights.
GLASGOW UNDERTAKER MAKES SECOND COURT APPEARANCE
The South Glasgow undertaker with widespread RC clerical connections, Desmond Maguire, made his second court appearance in Glasgow yesterday in connections with domestic matters.
As the matter is before the courts, we can not comment on the details.
BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
116 replies on “Departing from Africa, Pope Francis renews call to end anti-sodomy laws”
The bible clearly says what the sin of Sodom was… and it’s nothing to do with anal sex. 😂
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You are correct to a point. It’s not accurate to say it has nothing to do with anal sex. It would be more correct to say the sin of a failure of hospitality was expressed through the medium of rape.
A problem is that today we, rightly, regard rape as worse than a lack of hospitality. The Sodom story show us how heinous a sin the failure to offer hospitality was considered to be. A particularly Middle-Eastern cultural social phenomenon.
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Through the medium of rape…inhospitality? So, the previous poster was correct, after all, fully rather than to a point.
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12:00 Remind me never to accept hospitality at your house in case you suddenly feel your version of inhospitable.
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11.13
No. Only to a point. Logic is not your forte.
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And brute hermeneutics aren’t yours. They had only just been rescued from the machine of the Assyrians.
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11.56
On the contrary, logic is indeed my forte, but semantics clearly isn’t yours. You meant ‘up to a point’, but lacked the verbal knowledge to express it.
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12.54
Neither logic nor nuance is evidenced in your comments.
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Maybe the conflict resides in catholic church teaching. There’s a big difference between love and lust. That’s according to Jesus Christ. Considering church teaching, the purpose of seminary training,as well as the fact compulsory celibacy is demanded by the church,
is a seminary the appropriate context for young men to explore their sexuality?
Maybe men under the age of thirty should not apply to become priests.
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Joseph Pike RIP
2021: https://bishoppatbuckley.blog/2021/02/08/today-is-the-75-th-anniversary-of-the-murder-of-little-joseph-pike-by-the-christian-brother-brother-conor-lane-in-tralee/
2022: https://bishoppatbuckley.blog/2022/02/08/my-challenge-to-robert-nugent-about-silverstream-and-mark-kirby-and-the-abuse-suffered-by-father-benedict/
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7.32: What’s your point, Seamus? These issues have been discussed befire. Have you any brain?
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9:33, Pike apparently just died. He’s mentioned in both linked articles.
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Popes should have been defending the rights of homosexuals, those accused of witchcraft, slavery and so on – to be fair not sure PJPII or Benedict would have done – but I just think standing up for human rights is what popes should do but hey ho it’s a news story: man does job he’s paid to do! Jeez.
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If all those so called African Christians put as much energy and enthusiasm in to stopping slaughtering each other and slitting each others’ throats and hating each other as they do in to obsessing and persecuting LGBTQ people, the world would be a much better place.The Pope and Welby and Co do not help by speaking out of the two sides of their mouth, on the one hand telling the LGBTQ community that they are “loved’ and ‘respected” and yet still maintaining a theology and language that is full of hate and persecution and hugely offensive language, which gives tactic support to those who want to hate and persecute. It is time to call them out and to trip them up. I am hugely admiring of Sandi Toksvig and others who are quick enough and witty enough to point out the idiocies of, in that particular case, of the CofE position on sexuality, equality, marriage etc., and to make Welby look like an upper class toff twit. Which he unquestionably is. Also, I support those in Parliament who take the very logical view that if the CofE want to be part of the British Establishment and enjoy all the benefits that go with that, then it cannot have its cake and eat it and opt out as it fancies from legislation that governs the rest of our country. I put my money on the CodE falling in to line. They most certainly do not want to lose their privileged and cosseted Established Church status, do they ? No way ! As for the RCC, in England and Wales, they have already had their knuckles wrapped over exercising authoritarian and arbitrary power over their employees, such as teachers, in matters of personal life and relationship, and no longer can they just sack people, although they still try to find round about ways of getting rid of people whom they don’t think conform. I’m sure that ruse will soon be called out and stopped soon too. So, in the fullness of time the RCC and other organisations will have to conform to UK law. If they want the protections of the state in which we live, then they also have to expect to respect and conform to those laws and rights and not deny them to others. It will become increasingly uneasy, embarrassing and not possible for the likes of + Nichols to make the case for RCC exceptionalism from the laws of the land, using spurious and long since discredited theological and moral arguments that the rest of us have moved on from long ago.
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Pope Francis can not condemn Sodomy when he participated in it himself when a young man .
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What ! You mean he took it up the jaksey ?! Incroyable !
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But he’s a priest, you have to go through formation.
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Yet another confirmation that they don’t practice what they preach. Crooks and criminals from the top down and from the bottom up.
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9.07
Proof?
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11:16 Nobody has yet proffered anything at all for the proof I have repeatedly asked for for the immaculate conception.
It’s almost like y’all believe stuff on no proof at all.
Yet when you see picture of Pope Nazinger in his Hitler Youth uniform you start ranting that everyone was at it.
Sheesh you people really are something else.
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11:16 About 40% proof. 🍷
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11.31 & 11.36
So, you can’t provide any proof at all; hence, the dissembling.
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9.07
A classic non-sequitur.
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Time for Pope Frances to retire and hopefully replace him with a non white Pope. A black pope would be great for the church.
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Yes, Idi Amin would have made a cuddly pontiff, or perhaps Robert Mugawbe.
The agony of choice.
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Yeah the missionaries should really have told the Africans to stick to kiddy fiddling and otherwise never brutalize anyone like the church in Europe never has.
Cathbot formation obviously continues to present real difficulties in mission territories: in the mission territory of Ireland the priests are very reluctant to give up their Grindr for example. 🤔
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A black pope means the end of the world people! Leave Francis be
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I looove the way the catlicks periodically give out their superstition and they really have more in common with a fortune teller or vendor of lucky heather.
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Patricia of CTS was/is obsessed/fascinated with the sin of Sodom.
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So is big bobby nugent
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For a person of blatant homosexuality, she gives gays a bad name.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jngj4igVm9Y/WdJh3cv3xlI/AAAAAAAARpk/ti3Szf0Lyw4XrK-Tme7u487kbv01aj2sACLcBGAs/s1600/raymond_burke_7.jpg
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Leave him alone, 11.14! He looks divine. ♥️
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I suppose a lot of 80 year old virgins looking back on their empty lives start to think of the joys they’ve missed out on . It explains her Trumpist Nazi homophobic obsessions with the Scottish First Minister , non whites daring to get parts in film or tv ( adverts even was a recent trip ) , sex before marriage etc etc etc. 1 % of her trips mention Christianity which figures
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Fr Ger Fitzgerald has been very hard done by on this blog.
Ger was a great priest who worked very hard in this parish and did great work. He was well known and liked and is a nice man.
I know he did bad with the women and he definitely should say sorry and pay back whatever is owed. But there are far, far worse offenders than him and they didnt get half as bad a time or thrown out like he did.
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11.09. The girls and women Fr Fitzgerald took advantage of and got away with it just because he had the big bossy parish priest Ryan and the Bishop behind him are the ones that are still being treated badly by the church same way church has been treating women and children for years. If that was my sisters or daughters id be taking them to a solicitor demanding a public apology in the local and repayment of all the money that priest borrowed from those women. It’s all a pure disgrace, we have no reason to have any respect for any bishops or priests after this in our town,
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I don’t think he owes anything to anyone, maybe to a higher power but I doubt he believes in such as it was all an act. but having said that, I do not know how the bastard sleeps at night.
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Pints and chips do the trick for Fr Ger.
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Who was the neo cat who commmited suicide from Alice Hall. CMOC made the big mistake promoting the neo cat Donega on to the staff there. Amy now promotes them in Dundalk.
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Robert Nugent is complaining about him being mentioned on this blog about his obsession with gorgeous young twinks masturbating. But yet in the same conversation/rant – he started to justify, yet again, his opposition to them masturbating.
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Pat I have been watching The Crown, totally dramatised. It got me thinking – who would you like play you in your 3 stages of life? If such a film/series were to be made?
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Of course it’s too late but I just think Harris Glen Milstead would have played a great and very realistic priest.
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Charles Hawtrey.
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There is not one damn holy or humble priest in D&C, not a single one and I dare anyone to name one
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I am whom you seek.
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Bishop Pat Buckley.
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I am a sinner. “Only God is good”.
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Paedophiles are very clever manipulative and can fool peole by their friendships and at times charismatic ways. I thought the world of rolf harris and the wonderful charismatic priest who gave wonderful sermons during knock vigils about 45 years ago. Imagine my shock when in later years he was convicted of paedophilia. I believe paedophiles are were attracted to thr RCC as it gave them the enviroment to abuse their victims.
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@ 11:31am
Get a grip! are you blaming The Holy Church for the likes of Rolf Harris who is a non Catholic. There are plenty of these paedo’s like Garry Glitter etc. who have nothing to do with The Church.
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Reading comprehension not your strong point is it. 😂
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1.02 But it shows that the Church makes no difference in the world, doesn’t it? You’d expect no paedophiles AT ALL in ‘holy mother church’, wouldn’t you? Which means the Church is no better than any other society in the world.
Might as well not exist.
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1:29 Exactly, that’s the problem which they have literally no way to deal with, and have to resort to claiming persecution, pointing the finger at other churches (who they otherwise consider inferior to them) and various other ways to deflect.
Like the problem of evil in monotheism the problem of paedophilia (and even more its cover up by all the bishops without exception) is the bomb which won’t go away and they won’t defuse.
I commented yesterday that it’s really strange how they can’t think what else they could do about being terminally associated with paedophilia.
I suspect they’re way too busy politicking amongst themselves to get it together to do this.
But tell us more about how it’s society’s problem, ‘father’. 😂
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There was of course Jimmy Saville whose Catholicism and that of his mother the ‘Duchess’ was core to his identity. +Arthur Roche, then bankrupting Leeds, but surely not born yesterday, unwisely gave him a fairly maximal send off. Gadd / Glitter was very nominally Anglican by birth, but got an education in a Catholic school. Like most English until recently, his faith was at most something on a piece of paper.
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Can anyone produce internal evidence from the bible that says the sin of Sodom was anal sex.
If you’re saying it is the onus is on you to produce evidence it was and not on anyone else to produce evidence it wasn’t.
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There is no such evidence, and I’m one of the biggest homophobes on the planet.
In early verses or chapters of Genesis, God makes clear his intention to destroy the twin cities for their inhospitality BEFORE the intended same-sex gangbang.
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1:34 And the biblical text saying a same sex gangbang was intended is….?
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1.55,you’re kidding, right? You’re just being contrary, yes?
All that stuff about the men of Sodom gathering outside Lot’s house and demanding that he send out the two male strangers that they might ‘know’ 😜 them?
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Ah, but, c’mon now, 1.34! You lot say your god is eternal, therefore omniscient, so this means he knew there would be a same-sex gangbang at Sodom even before it happened and even though the biblical writers, in those earlier parts of Genesis, don’t credit him with this knowledge. All of which means that your god was going to punish the people of Sodom not just for inhospitality, but for the way they expressed it on this occasion. Or is it all a load of made-up nonsense?
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2:02 Can you give the reference please.
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@ 1:20pm
It’s not yours either.🤣🤣🤣
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@ 1:29pm
Only to unbelievers like you does it make no difference. The Church is above Society, and if people followed it’s teachings there would be no paedo’s. But that wouldn’t suit you would it?
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No, not only to unbelievers, but to anyone who can read a newspaper.
The Church is not above society, but is fully accountable to it, and it’s legal systems, which you would know could you read a newspaper about all the convictions of paedo priests.
Even the Church doesn’t follow its own teachings, which is why it allowed all those paedo priests to minister to kids, and why it covered up for them when they inevitably kiddy-fiddled.
So, you see, your church makes absolutely no moral diffence in the world, because it clearly doesn’t believe in what it preaches. Clearly. But it does excel at making a mockery of itself, so, yes, in this way I agree that your church is most definitely above Society, because no other organisation in it comes close to the preposterous irony your church
actually is. 🤣
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The church isn’t above society that’s nonsense- the church is the servant of society – the popes have suggested that the church is the conscience of society but that hasn’t worked out so well has it – apparently it’s conscience hasn’t been troubled by clerical child abuse and institutional cover up.
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@2:40pm
No it’s not nonsense, what popes are you talking about? The present one for example is never done talking nonsense as we see every time he opens his mouth, God help us.🙄
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An obsession with anal sex is deeply Freudian – it’s rooted in penis envy and envy that this so pleasurable act (the pleasure principle) represents the forbidden and yet the source of intense sexual pleasure for both heterosexuals and homosexuals.
Religious people tend to be sexually naive and obtain some sexual frisson in condemning this particular natural act – any intelligent married person will tell you that anal sex is just one among many options – oral, anal or vaginal sex.
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Pat you who cast the first stone, never to have sinned
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Pat you are right, I am a straight woman and I am not ashamed to say that me and my husband have anal sex. If I didn’t enjoy it or was not comfortable with it – we wouldn’t do it. We don’t just do it for pleasure but as a contraceptive and when I’m on my menstrual cycle.
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Cathy, do you fear you might lose your religion? 😝
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Can Francis be impeached like Trump ?.
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Pat
Have you heard the one about the chef and the seminarian in a redemptorist monastery, it’s about to get centre stage at the inquiry. The cardinal is on the ropes, going for the jugular his own seminary. Pure filth!
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Hi, its me. any chance you could give me a mention once in a while
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Isn’t it wonderful that the world is being freed from the satanic stranglehold of Rome and her filthy Romanist pimps?
These parasites have had their deceiving, evil day.
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Pat: I agree with the distinction between religion and spirituality if, by the latter, you refer to the essence in individuals which moves them to think and act with care, consideration and respect for others and our shared environment. That, of itself, suffices. There is no need for a God or his alleged rules and regulations of religious requirements to guide our spirituality.
The realisation of the harm done by, and in the name of religion, is long overdue.
“Good without God ” seems more altruistic than “Good because He’s watching and might punish me.”
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Well said Mark. Thanks.
There’s such huge inherent contradictions in what Christian religions teach as to make the whole farrago utterly ridiculous, and laughable.
And that’s just their beliefs.
And further, the concept of a Creator God who loves us so much that he gives us free will and at same time commands us to love honour and obey him, ……..or else!!!!!
MMM
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“Love, honour and obey Him” means exactly: honour the orphans and widows, respect and cherish people and things around us. It is cloaked in theistic language but has this meaning. In my opinion it does not repel agnostics of any flavour.
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I’m convinced you’re a closet atheist. genuinely
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Anon@ 3:37.
It would be a sign of intelligence and basic communication ability when a poster gives some indication as to where/whom their comment is directed.
Doncha think?
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Fr Paul Shanley is believed to be innocent by many: http://artsandpalaver.blogspot.com/2008/08/paul-shanley-is-not-only-innocent-but.html
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Pat the problem I have with your take on celibacy is not having to live sexually unselfishly all the time is, if they want to indulge and as a Parishioner is approaching them with the assumption of sexual safety and Celibate service…. They can be destroyed. If a Celibate is out of bounds, he needs to be demoted and corrected. Personally, let’s stop wrecking people and Optionlize Celibacy.
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I have no problem with gay men being priests. I have a problem with gay seminarians and priests having rampant and irresponsible sex lives in saunas and seducing everyone they can get their hands on- against the vows they took
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Spoilsport.
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I think you are getting a bit carried away, Bp Pat, comparing homosexuality back in the seventies and mainstream gay life nowadays.
In fact, from my experience, the 1970s was a very liberating period for many gay people, and I am sorry you were stuck in that horrible seminary.
Also, there is no such word as “homosexualisation”, and some readers may consider the word “homosexual” outdated or clinical and may prefer other terms that they regard as more modern and in inclusive.
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The catholic priesthood is rapidly degenerating into a discredited toxic sick joke riddled with duplicitous individuals (jokers) lacking integrity, having ‘their cake’ while representing ‘God’, all funded by the laity! ( Just tellin’, it like).
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The current priesthood attracts mainly gay men because the Catholic priesthood is now the biggest international gay club. Join the Navy and see the world. Join the priesthood and get your hooooooooooooo…………e
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2.47pm
The Westboro Baptist Church is obsessed with anal sex and rimming (which they describe as eating faeces – it isn’t remotely like that) and one wonders why this obsession.
It’s always striking that the Sermon on the Mount and the Beatitudes nor any of the Parables condemn human sexuality but do condemn the Pharisees for their hypocrisy and laying burdens down upon their people but not lifting a finger to help.
Sound familiar?
Maybe in 1000 yrs history will judge that the moral life isn’t as wrapped up in sex as our moral and ethical guardians have made out and this obsession with the intrinsically disordered act is simply that, an unhealthy obsession.
Plus imagine that Little Bobby Byrne was the moral and ethical guardian for the people of H&N.
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The issue I have about young men / seminarians / priests being people of integrity and keeping the promises they make about celibacy is about honesty and integrity. Leave aside the rightness or wrongness of compulsory celibacy, that is a secondary issue to this debate. The fact is that the Church publicly requires this promise of those who are ordained. So, it is only right to expect that this is observed. Not to do so, and to skirt around the promise that has been made and to live a parallel and duplicitous life, as a cleric must necessarily do if he decides to transgress his promise of celibacy, is so damaging to him and to the Church and its integrity and the trust that we can have in them. A secondary question is about homosexuality, which is currently seen as intrinsically disordered by the Church. There could be a debate about that. Whether a person thinks that homosexuality and its genital expression is legitimate or not, the same issue about integrity applies to anybody who has made a promise of celibacy. If the Church wants to sort out this problem, it needs a long hard look at its theology of sexuality in all its manifestations, as well as a review of its demand of obligatory celibacy. In the meantime, I do not think it is unreasonable for me to expect clerics to keep their promise of celibacy, whether it be heterosexual or homosexual expression. Not to do so is just unacceptable, and damages the very foundations of what the Church relies on – trust. I work in the real world, and I am amazed at how the Church fails to implement even the most basic requirements of professional standards and behaviour. If even a modicum of what some clergy get up to, is alleged to have got up to happened in the work with which I am involved, it would be dealt with immediately, fairly, transparently, but robustly. It is a question of duty of care to the individual involved, to the institution, and to others. The Church just seems to be out of its depths in these matters, and does itself and everybody else damage by its amateurish, unprofessional approach. They need to sharpen up their act, as they are being required to do with safeguarding, otherwise other people will come in and do it for them.
Finally, before anybody has a go at + Pat for his lifestyle…..the important thing about + Pat, whether you agree with him or not, is that what you see is what you get. He is clear about his life, his relationships, his ministry, what he is promising, and as far as I can see keeps to that. He is not living a parallel life of duplicity. There is an integrity in that, something that can be trusted. That is not the case with so many Roman Catholic clerics, who coverup, lie, fool themselves and us, living damaging, dysfunctional lives which undermine themselves and the Church.
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Wonder how things are going in that meeting in a hotel chaired by the Liverpool Bafoon McMcMahon.
Dying to hear how our brother clergy are getting on!!
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The buffolo wings and garlic bread have caused as much indigestion as the idiots valedictory speech to build back better post Bunter.
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Some Irish bishops have threatened to remove faculties from their priests if they believe they are connected with this blog. Dublin, D&C and now Clogher have secretly communicated this to clergy. Are you aware of this Pat?
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Big Mac is doing her single transferable speech again.
https://m.independent.ie/videos/mary-mcaleese-catholic-church-will-change-or-perish-with-current-views-on-homosexuality-40434487.html
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‘That structure will eventually fall away under its own dead weight’ — I think pretty much everyone here would agree, whether they call themselves critical Catholics or atheists. You should not be knocking someone who is doing what she can in a good cause.
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Jesus himself did not create priesthood, nor is there any evidence that he intended its creation by others. This much is clear from the New Testament, even if Roman Catholic tradition on the subject traditionally has looked the other way.
Priesthood by definition is exclusive, elitist, and in practice, a vehicle for religious snobbery and for self-seeking power junkets that almost inevitably corrupts those who enter it; the evidence for this is quite literally everywhere, cornucopic, and flatly undeniable. Some of it is even high theology.
It really does not matter whether priests be gay, straight, pansexual or asexual, either as individuals, or as a totality; sexuality here is relatively small beer.
Priesthood institutionally tends to corrrupt ALL who enter it, because it was born of disobedience to the will of Christ; it is the product of men, not of the man-god. If it isn’t priest-queers jockeying for position (no pun intended), it will be priest-straights, or any shade in between. It really does not matter the personnel, because ultimately, the personnel are not the fundamental problem. Nor is their sexuality.
Sinead O’Connor was ironically prophetic when she ripped up a picture of JPII on television while declaring about him ‘know your enemy!’. She was excoriated for this (And how!) by ‘good’ Catholics, including not a few priests. She was laughed at, and gaslighted as a celebrity nutter. But, again ironically, Sinead had the last laugh, since we now know that JPII had, for many years, an openly secret affair with a Polish philosopher (sexless apparently, though by ‘grace’ an exceedingly close-run thing), and protected other priests, paedophiles, like the notorious and fawning creep, Fr Maciel-Degollado, whom JPII publicly lionised, and praised as ‘an efficacious guide to youth’, when he was already briefed on this criminal’s sexually depraved conduct towards the very young.
Sinead missed the mark in one respect, but not by a wide margin: she identified JPII alone as the enemy rather than primarily the institution of priesthood.
Such was the corrupting influence of priesthood that it led a pope, JPII, to flaunt openly the violation of his celibacy promise and to ruthless disregard for the welfare of children in order to protect his perverted colleagues. Priesthood demands of a person self-indulgence rather than moral self-discipline. And, as the mounting evidence shows, usually it suceeds, as it did with JPII (though perhaps not all the way to sainthood for others).
Get rid of priesthood, an anomaly by the will of God, and the Church will recover. It will not do so until this corrupt institution is dissolved, again by the will of God.
Those who offer financial support to priests … whether gay, straight, or otherwise … ordinarily are propping up an institution which Jesus did not ordain and does not sustain, but which is taking him to Calvary, and infinitely back there.
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4.23: A very self serving theology. A histrionic attack of monstrous hyperbole. What priesthood has evolved into certainly requires mending and renewal but Jesus did call for a complete following of him. He did call people to discipleship which can be and is expressed in different ways. Priesthood as such is one way of being a disciple. So is marriage..and being single and living the gospel. Celibacy and priesthood and being a Christ centred community all need new definitions. Be part of the discussion, not an armchair critic!
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4.23
It’s i formative to read a comment speaking of ‘moral self discipline’ (sic) from a unionist lapsed Catholic whose outpourings on this blog have filled pages of comments but have not filled the emptiness inside the one from whom they originated.
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Sorry, but it wasn’t you-know-who, but a pale imitation of you…
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Closet gays and religious crushed fruits are by their very nature about secrecy, lies, and cover-up.
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Some people are meant to be celibate and priests, but they should never enforce that on others, nor be so cold in their promotion of alternative lifestyles – sometimes when you throw yourself into a sex life, you realise how good it is.
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The comment at 1:06 is spot on in my opinion. The regimented, quasi-monastic structure of seminaries is the most unhelpful context in which a young person can discern and be formed. This can only happen where freedom is facilitated not inhibited. This deficiency is only compounded by the fuss-pots who usually end up as rectors in such places, treating it as some kind of boarding school for adolescents. I wonder how many decades more it will take for episcopal conferences to catch on and use their authority to make the necessary changes? 🤔
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https://youtu.be/jRb5bG7aozc
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Kieran Conry was Bruno Heims private secretary (him of cocktails, heraldry and sucking up to the Queen Mother).
Was this a case of one Old Queen sucking up to another Old Queen?
Heim and Conry a case of droit de seigneur for deffo.
Same for CMOC – Heim held a torch for them both
Promotion in the Catholic Church closely tied to homosexuality- Conry and CMOC knew how to flirt with Heim I reckon and Elsie had those butch red blooded prelates Worlock and Hume eating out of the palm of his hand. If you know how to play – you play.
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Absolutely spot on. Even though Conry and I think CMOC were not gay themselves, they knew exactly how to play their hand when it came to the likes of the cottaging Heim. Likewise Nichols with Worlock and Hume, two prelates who were definitely on the other bus. Conry, CMOC and Nichols were / are sublimely ambitious in their journey up the greasy clerical pole. They knew exactly what they were up to, and they knew exactly what pleased their gay and prissy masters. This portrays a calculating cynicism at the heart of these people, which then went on to characterise the way that they played power when they got it. Nichols is still at it today and I would not trust him an inch or believe anything he says. People who deal with him know that if he wants your services he is all over you, but once he has got what he wants he drops you cold and moves on. The only person he seems to have any feeling for is the nun, although he loves to trot out his mother and father in his homilies as examples of his affection, but that is just part of the saccharine, gagging, faux Liverpool shite that he comes out with.
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Heim used to go cottaging and was picked up several times by the old Bill.
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Why are Catholic clergy so catty, cantankerous and angry all the time – they should carry a health warning – seldom do you encounter a happy one – does repressed/suppressed homosexuality take its toll and put them out of sorts?
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Should a genuine celibate Priest, get involved with a lay man? It is not fair to lead anyone on. In any way of life.
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Just happened to look on your blog for the first time in a long time – chances eh – and I think this comment might be about me – chances eh – so sensitive are the priests leading double lives – I.e being in celibate relationships with lay men – and not telling lay man – chances eh – but it’s not fair on lay man – choose what you want and stand by your choice
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You appear to be an exceptionally nasty and bitter individual to be airing your dirty laundry in public in an attempt to ridicule and threaten? Perhaps a little introspection wouldn’t go amiss?
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4.50: Rightly we can ask, should a single man or married man end up In a relationship with a man who happens to be a priest? Does it matter if true love is present? The man who is a priest is not responsible for any unfairness. Both are responsible for any foolishness or hurt. Get real.
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4.45pm
Spot on I’d say – Heim and Conry and CMOC and Elsie and Worlock but also for him Marcinkus (active homosexual) who enjoyed a Swiss Guards and Hume as Queer as a Coot and a definite flirt and player – Elsie played them all – not sure of Elsie’s orientation- he’s into his Nun but he seems to favour pretty young clergy and likes them young and pretty. He doesn’t like ugly men or fat men and is v cruel and imperious – I think he’s more gay than straight and probably swings both ways but he sure knows how to do that droit du signeuur and owes his clerical career to knowing all about how the greasy pole works.
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I am glad this priest received a criminal conviction
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/no-praying-ya-filthy-priest-were-british/
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Father Gough, product of the rather limited intellectual and academic educational offering of Oscott, is imbued with the ontological sacramental change of priesthood and of his priestly specialness. Very aware of his clerical dignity. Always prays the First Eucharistic Prayer, because he thinks it is more dignified and noble. Much to the frustration of his parishioners. All this praying near an abortion clinic, claiming to be praying for free speech etc., is all self serving publicity and “look at me” stuff. A young priest a bit full of himself. Needs to get some time in and settle down. If, as with so many young priests, he lasts that long. I’m sure Nursie is all a-twitch with one of his priests hitting the headlines. I think a quiet, stern, word from the VG to settle down is in order for Fr Gough.
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Agreed. He is a pratt and a typical Oscotian. The sticker on the back of his ravish-me- red lipstick Ibiza is inflammatory. Nurse needs to clip his wings and look at Oscott’s formation team.
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7.03: Only an abortionist – MURDERER – would express such a vile comment. The unborn child obviously means nothing to you, MURDERER. What a washed up, trashy, immoral society we have where we allow adverts for the protection of animals but will be prosecuted if we pray for the protection of the unborn child. It’s a travesty of humane and decent values and of TRUE JUSTICE. Our society acquiesces all too readily to ideologies which respect no rights for the unborn, the elderly, the marginalised, the very sick. Just look at the way the elderly and vulnerable have been treated by successive governments in our country. Look at the venomous hatred unleashed on refugees last weekend in Ireland. The unborn child – a human being – is the most vulnerable and deserving of utmost protection and not the hate inciting attitude of 7.03, a vile piece.
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7.31 pm you are a fanstic Taliban sort of person who believes a woman has no rights over her body.
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Excellent obituary in The Times of Rev Sir Charles Dilke, Bt, Cong Orat.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ef06499c-a7c9-11ed-a7e8-7a5fed5c43c4?shareToken=8817ac057a3a13e2669ac953fb67c6e6
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9.52: No person has a right to kill an unborn child. The fanatical supporters of abortion – MURDER – are the modern day Taliban. You should stop misunderstanding the meaning of abortion: the killing of an unborn child.
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9.16pm
A stern word from the VG Richard Walker is a terrifying prospect for Fr Gough – Richard Walker supported by his bezzie Timmy Menses must be like being mauled by an especially benevolent sheep. Go get him Tiger.
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This is not pastorally wise for it will cause offence in Africa, leading to Catholics defecting to Pentecostals (which has happened in many places where people see nothing clear from Catholicism) and other African origin Churches (women bishops echoing the role of wise women in traditional African religion, but utterly unliberal otherwise), incite mockery from Moslems, and lead to the targeting of African gay Catholics who just want to exist in peace. The Western activist culture is not appropriate there.
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