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JOE DUNNE – ORDAINED FOR GLASGOW IN 1975

FROM SUNDAY POST

INVESTIGATION: Sacked Scots priest Father Joseph Dunne denies abuse allegations as he’s tracked down in Ireland

https://content.jwplatform.com/previews/56yS3VQa

A CATHOLIC priest who disappeared after being accused of abuse in Scotland and California has been tracked down in rural Ireland.

Father Joseph Dunne was found living with his sister in a bungalow just outside the village of Geashill, in County Offaly.

Asked about the allegations against him, the 77-year-old denied any wrong-doing, saying: “I’ve done nothing wrong. My conscience is clear.”

Last week we told how Dunne was sacked from his Glasgow parish in 1988 by the late Cardinal Thomas Winning, after complaints about inappropriate behaviour towards young girls.

But the police and other Catholic churches were not told and Dunne found a new church in Los Angeles before being accused again.

US church leaders only learned of his past when they called his former bosses in Glasgow. Dunne was investigated by police in LA, but never charged.

He returned to Glasgow where he was told never again to work as a priest – but still Scottish church authorities did not inform the police. Scottish police were finally told about Dunne in 2013 but decided to take no action.

Speaking from his home, Dunne denied the allegations against him, claiming he had been formally cleared.

He said: “I got the all-clear from Scotland and America and I have a letter telling me that. “

Asked if Cardinal Winning had sacked him in 1988 after allegations of inappropriate behaviour he said: “No. No. No. That never came out.”

And when we quizzed him about events in LA, where he faced a second allegation in 1993, he replied: “I’m 25 years away from America – how can I go back and remember all that?”

In response to Dunne’s claim he had been cleared, the Archdiocese of Glasgow said: “Father Joseph Dunne has been forbidden from exercising priestly ministry since 1988. He has been reminded of this repeatedly.”

The allegations against Dunne emerged when the Los Angeles Archdiocese published a list of more than 200 priests accused of abuse. The Catholic Church in Scotland has never published such a list.

Dunne was moved around five Glasgow parishes after being ordained at Waterford Cathedral in 1975.

He first served as a priest at St James’s Crookston, moving to St Lawrence’s, Drumchapel, until 1978 and then St Bartholomew’s, Castlemilk. He was then sent to St Paul’s, Whiteinch, in 1985 and then to St Mary The Immaculate in Pollokshaws. In 1988 he was sacked.

However, in 1990 he was given a licence to continue acting as a priest by the Archdiocese of LA, where the second allegation, of molesting a schoolgirl, was made in 1993.

The church’s former abuse adviser, Alan Draper, said: “This is a deeply worrying case, and one which will have many asking where he went after Los Angeles.”

‘He wanted me to play chase and tickle in the dark’

FROM RTE

An 81-year-old former Offaly priest who sexually abused a young woman as he drove her to the Rape Crisis Centre for counselling has avoided a jail term, as he is the sole carer for his elderly sister.

Joe Dunne indecently assaulted the previously abused young woman on a number of occasions after befriending her in hospital. He later asked her for forgiveness, before assaulting her again.

The woman outlined how meeting Dunne when she was a young woman in a highly vulnerable situation had started “34 years of hell”. She said she thought she would be safe as he was a priest.

Dunne, of Ballycrystal, Geashill, Co Offaly, pleaded guilty at the Central Criminal Court to five counts of indecent assault of the woman in 1989. He has no previous convictions.

The court heard the case had come to light as a result of a separate investigation in 2019 when gardaí came across letters the injured party had written to her bishop about Dunne years earlier.

Gardaí then approached the woman and she disclosed to them what had occurred.

Mr Justice Paul McDermott commended the courage of the woman in coming forward and putting herself through the onerous process of being a complainant.

He said the court and the criminal justice system depends on the courage of people like herself in coming forward in cases of this kind. He noted the devastating effects of the abuse on the injured party as set out in her victim impact statement.

Mr Justice McDermott said the circumstances of the case were extremely aggravating and noted Dunne had got himself into a position where he could sexually assault an abused woman. “That’s shocking,” said the judge.

He said it was clear from the nature of the assaults that they were carried out on a young woman in a most vulnerable position, and who Dunne knew to be in vulnerable position after she turned to him for support at difficult time.

He said he was obliged to take Dunne’s guilty plea into account but said it appeared from some material presented to court that he does not have full appreciation of the damage done.

The judge also took into account Dunne’s age and his health issues in setting a sentence of four years imprisonment.

He said he also had to take into account the effect imprisoning Dunne would have on his 94-year-old sister, for whom Dunne is the sole carer. He said the report before him in that regard was “stark”. He said the woman would be in very serious circumstances if deprived of his support.

He said the court was faced with a dilemma and he took the “unusual and exceptional step” of suspending the entire sentence because of the disproportionate effect it would have on Dunne’s sister.

The judge said this was not something easily done on his part but said it seemed to him it would involve a significant penalty on a third party if Dunne served the sentence.

Mr Justice McDermott suspended the entirety of the four-year sentence on strict conditions, including that Dunne attend with the Probation Service and undertake offence focused work.

PAT SAYS

JOE DUNNE studied with me in St John’s, Waterford, for two years – 1973 – 1975.

He was a “late vocation” and from the same area of Co. Offaly I am from – Tullamore.

I was never close to him, and looking back, I would say he was odd, sneaky, and never revealed much about himself.

All of us in St John’s has, thank God, a room of our own.

Joe Dunne was one of the very few who chose to share a room with another seminarian.

He was ordained for Glasgow but got into trouble there very quickly. We never heard why he left Glasgow and went to California.

Nor did we hear why he left California and returned to live with his sister in Geashill.

TULLAMORE

I was aware that the priests in Tullamore never allowed him to celebrate Mass there.

But he went around family homes in Tullamore, with Padre Pio mittens, celebrating house Masses and receiving financial gifts and Mass Offerings.

WHY DID THE CLERGY OF TULLAMORE NOT WARN THE PEOPLE AND FAMILIES OF JOE DUNNE’S PROCLIVITIES?

WHY DID THE BISHOPS IN GLASGOW, CALIFORNIA AND MEATH NOT ACT AGAINST JOE DUNNE.

I did not suspect that Joe Dunne was a paedophile.

Another case of the RCC allowing a paedophile priest to move from the UK, to the USA and then to Ireland.

109 replies on “FR JOE DUNNE – ABUSER – EX ST JOHN’S WATERFORD.”

The conundrum of Fr Dunnet/not. I never heard of him and have nothing to add or take away This blog has been soldiering on for years Its made its mark. What of the future. Where are the people who have walked away but still are Christian. Why haven’t the followers of Prophet Jesus Second Person of the Trinity not banded together into a new group This would follow New Testament evolutionary practice

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So the judge is letting him “look after” his vulnerable 94 year old sister. Seriously. That set up needs very close oversight by the authorities

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Yes. Surely he should be nowhere near a vulnerable adult. And particularly a female. Even more so I’d she is non verbal. I’m amazed he’s allowed to continue to be her carer.

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Yet more Shocking cover up and moving paedophiie clergy about, Bishops and their colleagues clearly don’t give a damn about public safety, dangerous shower of crooks that they are.

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‘Dunne found a new church in Los Angeles’
This suggests he moved himself, sneakily. It does not mention that he would have had to be refereed by the bishop to work in another diocese or change incardinating.
In reality this sounds like the good old paedophile shuffle and the bishop at the time is responsible for it.

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The clerical club always protects its own.
Fr Joe Dunne and his colleagues are sneaky and two faced con artists.

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Reading about this guy and him moving from these shores to the U.S.. makes me think of Fr John Gallagher, Derry dioceses. Can anyone tell me why he left Derry and moved to Florida? Does Florida then pay Derry for his training costs? Just asking, for a friend

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I’d say this man is lucky that he has got away with no prosecution. Whether that will stay so after the latest publicity remains to be seen. But, he should, quite rightly, be living a life of quiet prayer and penance, and definitely not portraying himself as a priest. Why has he not been laicised ? That would definitely end any lack of clarity about his status. Although, I guess Rome is only willing to do that when there is a clear cut criminal prosecution of a priest. I mean even Maciel was allowed to end his days a priest, even though he clearly did wicked things.

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One of McCarricks victims James Grein, gave a public speech at the “Silence Stops Now Rally” in Baltimore, where he called on Catholics to “reform and reclaim the Church.” Speaking about alleged mishandling of allegations by Catholic bishops, he said, “Our bishops must know that the jig is up.”
James Grein was the first baby that McCarrick had ever baptised, he started abusing him when he was 11 years old.

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Scum, whore, freeloading, parasitical, sponging, scrounging Romanist church. 😆
I should wish I could say better. Cos I should, like.😉

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He is on PiP & Universal Credit because of his alcoholism and he talks about spongers. Lol

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Of course Fr Dunnes conscience is clear. This paedophile and the pious paedophiie protectors in his local church community in rural Ireland “look after him”.
That’s what they do and Fr Rory Coyle knows it, that’s why he won’t leave the church that facilitates his expensive gay lifestyle and doesn’t require him to adhere to its teachings.

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Dear Bishop Pat,
My name is Alan Draper who you quote in your latest blog.
I have a 40 year history of supporting and acting as an advocate for survivors of abuse.
I cried for the victims and all his past victims when I read your blog.
It is a grim history of victims being failed time afte time . He clearly abused children and vulnerable adults throughout his working life , and possibly even before his ordination. His first conviction was at the age of 81. This in itself is an indictment of not just the Catholic Church but law enforcement agencies across three countries. When allegations were made the police either did not investigate or were told by the bishop that they would handle the situation. The consequence was to move him to another parish to continue to abuse children. What does that tell you about the level of concern by the Bishops ? Victims were collateral damage to protect the infamous reputation of the Church.
When this story emerged again in2019 it highlighted the failures of the bishops in three countries. There is no mention of the bishops reaching out to victims to help them to achieve accountability, justice, and reparation.
In 2019 I said that despite the lateness of the hour It was an opportunity for those dioceses too review what went wrong and what they could learn from the failures . I wrote to all three but I never got an acknowledgment , but that was not surprising . Were questions asked about Dunne when he was in the seminary, and what information was sent to Glasgow ? Was a letter sent to Los Angeles recommending Dunne.? What happened when he returned to Ireland and was past informtion shared .
More importantly what did the dioceses do to assist the victims ? I suspect nothing .The Bishops continue to leave a trail of misery .
What would Jesus have done and what will the bishops say when they meet him

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Please see my post at 11.57am below. It might help to address some of the crucial failings and indifference that you describe.

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Pat I am a priest and admittedly I have sex with fellow clerics. Nothing heavy. Just light sexual fun, do I feel bad? No. Celibacy was not created by Christ. If any other occupation put celibacy into a contract it would fail to pass any human rights laws. Give up the ghost – no more haunting Buckley

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Do what you like with your life. We all do that. But don’t bleat about ‘haunting’. Until celibacy is binned, haunting is the exposure of your hypocrisy. That’s you having sex in private. The you pretend to be celibate in public.
And then you have the sheer arrogance to tell other people how to behave. Oh and then you prescribe ‘penance’ for their ‘sins’. Hypocrisy.

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I’m quite open about my sex life. My family and friends are aware I am not celibate. I will take my chances with God when I leave this world to meet him. Me nor my fellow clerics are guilt free and proud.

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Very worrying situation for families with children depending on local church owned schools who will be vilified by the pious pillars of the community on school management boards if they express concern about the paedophile priest quietly moved into their community. A local doctor will be on board to confirm that the paedophile priest is elderly and in poor health. All boils down to the same thing with the clerical Mafia, they do what they like to the public including children and are facilitated by their powerful networks to get away with it. Dangerous creepy Scumbags one and all they are.

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Sounds like this priest has had a number of years of ‘retirement’ in rural Ireland. I do wonder who has been paying for this retirement ? I doubt if he has been able to exist on State handouts, and when he began his retirement he would not have been old enough to qualify for any handouts. So, is this another case of a furloughed priest being supported for decades by the Church / diocese ? In 1988 when he was put out to pasture, he was still young enough to get a job. Did he ? Probably not. Priests don’t believe that they should get their hands dirty doing ordinary work. They prefer to hold out their hands and take.

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1988
“Dunne was sacked from his Glasgow parish in 1988 by the late Cardinal Thomas Winning, after complaints about inappropriate behaviour towards young girls.”
1989
“Dunne pleaded guilty at the Central Criminal Court to five counts of indecent assault of the woman in 1989.”
1993
“However, in 1990 he was given a licence to continue acting as a priest by the Archdiocese of LA, where the second allegation, of molesting a schoolgirl, was made in 1993.”
2023
“Defence counsel said… Dunne was a man of no previous convictions who has led a good life and not come to any further garda attention. He asked the court to take his client’s good character in the intervening years into account.”
Was the defence counsel dishonest during the trial?

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I think the chronology has got mixed up by the report rather than in court. A comment above says he wasn’t convicted at all until in his eighties so in the early nineties would have no previous.

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10:04, defence counsel wanted the court to take into account his client’s good character in the intervening years. That totally ignored the 1993 incident in LA. It also ignores the incidents in Glasgow preceding 1989.

“Dunne emigrated for some time and was in ministry in Scotland but the woman observed on his return that he was filling in to say masses and funerals so at this stage she wrote to her bishop.
The court heard “little or nothing” was done at that stage to make Dunne “amenable to the law.””
Who was the bishop who did little or nothing?

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Seamus dioceses’ websites have lists of bishops so that should be easy for you to find out. If not the Wikipedia page for the diocese will have it.
This point of never having been convicted is of course the ultimate criminal notion: that’s why the cathbots all star ranting that a credibly accused priest hasn’t been convicted. It conveniently ignores that so few abusers get convicted because of the high level of evidence needed in a criminal trial.

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12:48 No, not after a certain period of time, a number of years. You start with a fresh slate.

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If he had been convicted of any offence like this before it could not become a “spent” conviction

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10:05 You mean like all the others. Just some of them pretend not to be very gay. 🏳️‍🌈

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Mahoney (🌈) was the Archbishop of Los Angeles for years. Of course he protected his own kind.

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Hey, sounds like a great idea. I keep a watch on my kids via tracking. Why not the priest ? I mean, the priest is liable to be up to much worse than my kids. Check up on your priest. We deserve to know what he’s up to and where he’s going. Because he will, I assure you, be up to no good.

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Trackapriest 9.56 Interesting concept! Makes me ask if priests are spiritual leaders or some sort of hybrid anomaly necessary for us to attain eternal salvation.

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Was he a housemate or a lodger? Housemate would give the impression he paid to stay there but as he was an illegal immigrant that couldn’t speak English I doubt he was paying his way. Was he passed around between priests also? Is he a sex worker? The house keeper use to be a page 3 model so it wouldn’t be impossible

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David’s motorbike was stolen while he was on holiday and it has never been recovered. Maybe the maids husband sold it off

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David’s sister is furious that she has not been left any money in his will or his holiday home in the Seychelles

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How could he sell it off when he has been locked up after being found drunk in one of David’s spare bedrooms that he doesn’t host for illegal immigrants

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In Birmingham Daniel Leonard gave abuser James Robinson a good reference so he could transfer to Los Angeles.
He also arranged the quick exit of abuser Gerald Doyle to the US.
If this is like criminals in any movie that’s because they are criminals.
Vinnie pretended at IICSA to have been shocked by this. Really? You shouldn’t even have been surprised.

https://catholicherald.co.uk/cardinal-shocked-to-learn-ex-vicar-general-sent-two-clerical-abusers-to-us/

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Correction: Gerald Doyle was asked to arrange a quick exit for Samuel Penney, he wasn’t the abuser, sorry.

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Gerry Doyle likes the limelight. I wouldn’t believe a word he says. He’s just as likely to have made up the story when he knew it would get him noticed. I suspect that Dan Leonard was much more subtle and clever than to phone Fr Doyle !

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It,will be 10 years since Pope Francis was elected Pope on Monday, will you Bishop Pat be doing A blog on his, 10 years tenure. Good summery of his pontificate on Washington Post. Interesting fact he is no longer talking about retiring saying it is” job for life”, Now that he is no longer in shadow of Pope Benedict Emeritus Vl.

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To be fair to Tullamore clergy they at least banned him from involvement in the work of the parish. Without a criminal conviction they couldn’t tell the world what he had done as a warning. This seems to be a rare case of local clergy actually doing they best they could.

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Tullamore is Diocese of Meath. Geashill, 8 miles away, is Diocese of Kildare and Leighlin. Is it Tom Deenihan or the Most Reverend Denis Nulty who must make a public apology to the woman?

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PP 7:23,
“The court heard the case had come to light as a result of a separate investigation in 2019 when gardaí came across letters the injured party had written to her bishop about Dunne years earlier.”
“Dunne was arrested and interviewed during the later investigation after her letters came to light in 2019.”
The current day Ordinary of the diocese must publicly apologise to the woman.

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There needs to be full digital registration of every priest in every country. Includes details of dates of appointments, roles, parish, diocese. Plus record of any police/court/prison encounters. Cautions, convictions, sentences.
Each national register to be connected to international oversight with authorised access by eligible users only.
Entirely established and operated by independent, autonomous authority with separate governance.
The ‘medical register’ model is not perfect but it would be a reasonable example to follow.
The clerical register would prevent or reduce some of the worst examples of continuity of practice comparable to the case today.

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They would have to make it a bit stronger than the social worker register, which hasn’t protected vulnerable people from abuse.

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Any institution appointing people with known cautions/convictions would be prosecuted. Individuals within the institution who made the decision to appoint convicts would be accountable and prosecuted.

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What is the latest on Cn PJ Smith?
I see he is supplying at St Mary’s, Alton (Portsmouth) following the death of the parish priest

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Here’s the thing – celibacy and virginity are supposed to be signs of a renunciation of the goods of sexual relations for the kingdom of heaven not a cloak or mask for an active homosexual or heterosexual illicit sex life.
That this way of life attracts and harbours child abusers is a scandal from which the Catholic Church cannot recover.

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12.43
The vast majority of those guilty of CSA are married. What conclusions does your line of thought draw from that?

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3:07 That that is the reason the ‘church’ of Rome is so keen on marriage and the family.

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In fairness CSA has not been a prominent theme of this blog, except for historical cases. The “scandals” are mostly about gay priests and as one of them says above lots of gay priests are open about their sex lives, so it is really a “scandal” about gay men not taking canon law on pure and perfect virginity seriously. The hunt is led by a gay man and most of his anonymous groupies seem to be gay as well.

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There are some very serious issues currently in debate in the UK / BBC at the moment. I don’t watch Match of the Day, but I fully support Gary Lineker in calling out horrendous, discriminatory and inflammatory language used by the Conservative Government when talking about migrants and refugees. Even more so when those mostly doing it – Braverman, Cleverly and Sunak, are all the recipients of the welcome of the UK to their parents who came here when they needed some help. Ironic, isn’t it ? And, I guess they don’t even see it themselves. What is happening is purely political, namely the Government throwing red meat to their back benchers and to the right wing press, all to move attention away from the serious things that they don’t want to discuss or deal with. What easier distraction than to appeal to nationalism and focus on immigrants / refugees, small boats, defending the shores, stopping an invasion, the threat of being inundated etc. etc. Cheap, nasty and wicked talk. So, good on Gary for naming it and shaming it. I would be happy to hear more from Vinnie and co. Pipe up, if you are reading this, Vinnie. Don’t just leave it to Gary !

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How many are you taking in to your own home, or are you being generous on behalf of others? Gary (left school with 4 O Levels but now a geo-politics expert) could give some of his £1.3m telly tax income to house the poor young Albanian men fleeing war-torn France.

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You people are something else. What should the Government do? Let them all in? There have to be border controls to stop the growing tsunami of spongers from abroad. Why do you think they are desperate, and take such risks, to come to the UK? To scrounge off the benefits system! These parasites are being housed, for Christ’s sake, when our own homeless are dying on the streets!! They even complain, these bloody freeloaders, about the accomodation they receive and the food they are freely given.

Away with the lot of them!!

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Apart from your invective, the flaw with your argument is that homeless people were dying decades before the latest events. Instead of pointless outrage, use some energy to look at the life expectancy of homeless people.
We could stop homelessness today if we chose. We did at the start of the pandemic.
By the way, we’re all migrants. You, me, everyone reading. We all got to these islands from somewhere at some time. I hope your forebears weren’t confronted with ranting like yours.

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4.05
Another bleeding heart, with more sentimentality than sense.
Wise up. Even that dick, the Archbishop of York, admits that a country can take only so many refugees. But the vast majority of these parasites from abroad aren’t refugees at all, but young, single men looking to scrounge off the UK taxpayer.
F**k the lot of them!

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3.31
You British should have thought of that before you raped and pillaged, sorry, colonised half the globe. The proverbial chickens are coming home to roost. It’s hard to have any sympathy for your plight. Éire go brách.

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9.09
Well, it was an Irish bloke, Dermot MacMurragh, who invited us Brits into Ireland, because he had neither the guts, nor the balls (not to mention the military skill and means) to defeat his tribal enemies.
Did you Irish think that lunch was free? Grow up, you utter berk!

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5:46 One would have thought you would be more embarrassed to belong to the cult.
But, no.

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I read somewhere recently about the despicable criminal behaviour of Dunne. A girl who had been raped went to him, thinking a Roman Catholic priest would be protective of her, on the way to the hospital Dunne sexually abused again. How low can he have sunk to have betrayed that girl’s trust, for his own lascivious lust, it makes me angry just thinking about his clericalism, his sexual abuse, and, abuse of power.
Castration would have been to kind for him.
He should never have been given freedom, his sister could have been looked after elsewhere, of course he has been exposed and he admitted sex abuse, it’s not enough in my opinion.
No matter how old, no matter how frail, no matter how sorry, no matter how much remuneration sexually abused victims received. If they do the crimes, in a just world, they should do the time.

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For a few years I was a priest in D&C diocese. I left having gone through the correct channels and procedures.
I knew and worked with some great, dedicated priests. But I also encountered some of the bitchiest, jealous gossip merchants I have ever met in my journey through life.

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A good few priests cages rattled today. My wife and I were on holiday in the south recently. Decided to stop for tea in a cafe. A bit alternative, but it was only for a drink so we put up with it. In walked two young priests as bold as brass to talk with the owner, who my wife said was of the other persuasion. The three men were very friendly with each other. Pat on the back here and there, very chummy. They bought several expenses bottles of wine from places my wife and I couldnt even pronounce. All at top price. My wife said they were probably using candle box money. I could just about hear them muttering about church gossip with the owner and probably ridiculing their parishioners. We couldnt believe how they could walk casually into a packed cafe wearing their collars in this climate carrying on with the owner like that. As usual my wife also wanted to see what type of car they had. Predictably it was the latest flash Audi. What a disgrace.

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Good news for a change, times they are a changing.
SYNODAL WAY ALLOWS GAY BLESSINGS, WOMEN PREACHERS
by Jules Gomes • ChurchMilitant.com • March 10, 2023 FRANKFURT AM MAIN, Germany
The Roman Catholic Church in Germany has voted to permit the blessing of same-sex couples and women preachers to deliver the homily during Holy Mass.
Official blessing ceremonies for homosexual couples will be allowed in German Roman Catholic churches with IMMEDIATE effect, with an evaluation to be carried out in March 2026.
A thumping majority of over 93% of Roman Catholic clergy and Roman Catholic laity participating in Germany’s so-called Synodal Way,
including 81% of Germany’s Roman Catholic bishops,
voted on Friday in favor of the radical doctrinal and liturgical innovations.
Roman Catholics who are divorced and civilly remarried —
a relationship the Roman Catholic Church has always defined as adultery — will also be allowed to have their relationship blessed by the Roman Catholic Church.
Roman Catholic Priests who bless homosexual unions WILL NOT face disciplinary sanctions despite the Vatican’s Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith categorically ruling out in March 2021 the possibility of blessings for same-sex couples as “illicit” and “unlawful.”
A refusal to bless such partnerships cannot be convincingly justified in terms of a theology of grace.
The implementation of the Synodal Way’s resolutions will depend on the respective Roman Catholic bishop of a diocese, and Roman Catholic bishops who refuse to implement the reforms cannot be forced to do so.
Only nine Roman Catholic Bishops voted against approving a sacramental blessing for homosexual couples, while 11 Roman Catholic bishops abstained from the vote.

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I hope you’re right, those positive changes would have the Latin queens running fast!

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The Catholic Church in Germany is kaput, the departure rate is extraordinarily high. This was a gathering of boomer CINOs.

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Note the hatred of boomers at 8:27. Nice to see such charity, which would obviously greatly help to make 8:27’s vision for the church flourish.
If he had one.
Just bitching about nuns, the German church and Catholics he doesn’t think are as good as him, are all part of the problem, not the solution.

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3.07pm
Child abusers who are not Catholic clergy do not claim to be recipients of the Sacrament of Ordination or Personae Christi or ontologically changed or indeed make a vow of celibacy.
Child abuse by a member of the clergy is especially egregious indeed the Council of Elvira advised excommunication.
You can roll out the old trope that more abuse occurs in families or married people but that’s not relevant when addressing clercical child abuse precisely because they are not clerics.
Pipe and smoke I suggest.

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6.04
Arrant nonsense as one has come to expect from you. By limiting your questionably sincere focus on the crime of child sexual abuse by church people, you are thereby ignoring the overwhelming majority of crimes perpetrated by people other than clergy and religious. While, for your own vested reasons, you take your eye of the stastical ball, the teal criminals, yourself perhaps, among them, continue to offend.

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6:44 Nobody with the slightest understanding of abuse would think that it is limited to Roman Catholic clergy. However the problem for you is that when anyone who understands abuse comes across the attitudes of RC clergy as displayed not only on this blog, those attitudes are very troubling. I would respectfully suggest that in 2023 the connection between RC clergy and child abuse is maintained by your own attitudes.
In that scenario it behoves the adults in the room to keep reminding you of your problem until you either deal with it yourselves or civil authorities force you to.

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Given your comment, 6.44, (particularly its clerically defensive nature), you are a Romanist priest and are, therefore, statistically as likely as not to be a kiddie-fiddler. 🙄

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3.07pm

Child abusers who are not Catholic clergy do not claim to be recipients of the Sacrament of Ordination or Personae Christi or ontologically changed or indeed make a vow of celibacy.
Child abuse by a member of the clergy is especially egregious indeed the Council of Elvira advised excommunication.
You can roll out the old trope that more abuse occurs in families or married people but that’s not relevant when addressing clercical child abuse precisely because they are not clerics.
Pipe and smoke I suggest.

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6.44pm
Just a few fallacies to draw your attention to:
Bishop Pat privileges anonymity ergo (as flattered as I am) my contributions are sufficiently infrequent that I’m afraid there isn’t a pattern.
I can easily widen the reach but the blogs focus is on CSA and I’m hopeful we can agree that Catholic clergy are identified as child abusers and cover up merchants as to warrant special study and consideration.

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You have to wonder when Valladolid shows Spotlight to the students.
Frankly I think they’d be better showing John Waters’s Pink Flamingos, it’s an accurate portrayal of clerical life.

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7.32
The negative pattern to your comments is confirmed by your avatar. No need for self flattery.
It’s Pat’s privilege to say what the purpose of the blog is. You do him and the blog an enormous disservice to claim it’s the crime of the sexual abuse of children by clergy and religious. Such a defensive comment would alert the antennae of the casual reader to suspect what it is you are hiding.

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Here you are guys, I would like more clarification, does Francis mean heterosexual marriage AND homosexual marriage? Can there be one without the other?
VATICAN & GLOBAL
Roman Catholic Priests may not have to be celibate in future, Pope Francis suggests
Head of Roman Catholic Church says he sees ‘no contradiction for a Roman Catholic priest to marry’, in an interview published in Argentine media
The Telegraph ByOur Foreign Staff 12 March 2023 • 5:01pm
Roman Catholic Priests could be allowed to have sex in future, Pope Francis has suggested as he said he was open to reviewing the practice of celibacy.
(God love him! I think he is trailing behind, a bit late for permission, clergy have forged ahead with this one. no doubt it will be welcomed by some.)
In an interview published in the Argentinian media last week, Francis said “There is no contradiction for a Roman Catholic priest to marry.
Celibacy in the Western Church is a temporary prescription.”
“It is not eternal like Roman Catholic priestly ordination, which is forever.”
Celibacy was only made a requirement by the Roman Catholic Church in the 11th century.
The move was introduced partly for financial reasons: Roman Catholic clergy without spouses were more likely to leave their wealth to the Roman Catholic church.

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Disproportionate effect on his sister? What about the disproportionate effect on his victims?? No justice at all.. I bet he is laughing in the face of the judicial system and especially the judge who decided it

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