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PHONSIE TO START CHARGING FAMILIES FOR CHILDREN’S CONFIRMATIONS !!!

PHONSIE’S latest nutty bombshell is to impose a CONFIRMATION TAX on every family in Waterford and Lismore!!!

As if enough young people and parents are not walking away from the Church, now Phonsie is going to make them pay for the last sacrament many will bother asking for.

Catholic teachers regularly tell me that the vast majority of their Confirmation class students never attend Mass again.

You might be lucky if some of them want to use the church for a family wedding or funeral.

COST OF LIVING CRISIS

And in the very middle of one of the worst cost of living crisis, when some people are deciding between eating or heating their houses, Emperor Phonsie imposes a Confirmation Tax on such families.

Talk about sensitivity!

Talk about timing!

A GOOD INSIGHT

The fact that Phonsie is introducing a Family Confirmation Tax is a sign of how cash struck Waterford is.

It’s also a sign of the growing cash crisis in the RCC.

Slap it into them, I say!

Maybe it will stop them spending hundreds of thousands on naughty priests?

ROAREE

126 replies on “PHONSIE TO START CHARGING FAMILIES FOR CHILDREN’S CONFIRMATIONS !!!”

I’m sure many families will be delighted to have ‘this opportunity’ to support the wonderful ‘hands on’approach of Waterford Diocese to young people.. have they run out of diocesan lands to flog off like Killaloe.?

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Bishop Fintan Monahan has demonstrated utter contempt for the long and proud history of St Flannans College and is openly jeopardising its future by attempting to sell off land that was willed by the late Miss McNamara to the school with her conditions provided in a written instruction to facilitate the future expansion needs of St Flannans School which is stated by staff to be now at maximum capacity and requiring expansion to meet increased local demand.
Several other more suitable sites have been identified in the local Ennis area for a new geriatric hospital and in areas where increased traffic congestion so close to a large school could be avoided.
Current and past school staff members have publicly objected to this as have local residents and parents etc.

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6.50
Bishop Monahan is quite within his rights. He’s a tesponsible individual and is obviously taking a broader view of the needs of the diocese. Care of the elderly is also within his pastoral remit.

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9:52

Evidence please? Bishop Fintan –

Your assertion on the “broader views of the needs of the diocese” requires transparent clarification in the “broader public interest” given the negative impact of your ill considered and vexatious planning application on multiple categories of key worker teachers & associated staff, residents and students in the public sphere of the education, residential and leisure impact including the environmental impact of losing trees that are hundreds of years old if your planning application is successful in securing your Diocese funds for “unspecified and unitemised diocesan needs”.

Perhaps if you were to publicly specify and itemise these “Diocesan needs” this would be an unusually transparent approach that may be appreciated by those severely impacted by your vexatious decision to recklessly pursue this sale that is also in contravention of the codicil in the will of Miss Charlotte Mary McNamara who left this land you are selling specifically for future expansion needs of our school St Flannans College.

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9:52

What elderly is the Bishop of Monahan paying for.

I’ve had to sell my mothers home under The Fair Deal Scheme as she died a few years ago and I’m now 60 years old in a rented room in a house share with much younger people who although they are kind I don’t think they will agree with landlord to have my lease renewed next year.

If the church house elderly
Like me I’d like to know about it please?

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11:15 Did Bishop Phonsies parish priest not pay back the missing €70,000 yet, is this what the latest money grab is about?

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Are you accusing him of simony?
The letter says he’s offering people the chance to contribute. That’s not the same as charging.
There’s at least one typo in the letter which suggests it was dashed off at the drop of a hat without being proofread. Of much thought put i to it.

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11.19
Don’t you know that the RC institution habitually uses double-speak, or euphemism, or mental reservation, or even all three together (and the rest) in its communications? Anything but straightforward, ‘let your “yes” be “yes” and your “no” be “no” ‘ Jesus-y language? Proves useful when it has something to hide (and it often does), like the apparent truth here.
‘Contribute’ in this case doesnt mean ‘contribute’, does it, any more than ‘Mass offering’ means ‘Mass offering’? Confused? Worry not: it’s just a symptom of recovering from the stupor of the RC institution’s ‘Big Brother’ world of double-speak. Don’t ‘contribute’ and ‘Mass offering’ actually mean ‘pay’ and ‘a charge’ respectively? But euphemistically phrased to appear otherwise?
Catholics, like puppies, are trained not to recognise these sly nuances, let alone react to them morally. It’s useful for the RC institution when it, like ‘Big Brother’, has something to hide, such as the shocking truth that God’s little pups are effectively to be charged for even the putative grace of Confirmation. Of course, Mr Cullinan won’t say this in so many words, and he would probably argue himself hoarse (a not unpleasant prospect) in defence of the moral probity of his innovation, not least because it would look like simony, or might even be simony, a form of RC institutional corruption (one of many) which the Almighty (according to Acts) took a violently dim view of. N-e-v-e-r-t-h-e-l-e-s-s, Mr Cullinan manages to say it anyway, and very well indeed.
The Achille’s heel of Mr Cullinan’s innovation is that it is ill-mannered to thank anyone in advance for anything requested of him. It’s also telling, though this appears to have gone over Mr Cullinan’s head: it suggests not a hope of receiving something from him, but, on the contrary, an outright expectation of it. It’s presumptiously arrogant. And it would deny the person the right of refusal. Why, one might even reasonably describe this expectation as an unqualified, unbridled demand! But, then, I guess Mr Cullinan has no manners, not to mention tact.
I hope that the salt-of-the-earth parents of Waterford-Lismore call Mr Cullinan’s bluff, and boycott his little, sacramental ritual. Why pay for pretentious, baroque codology when, as Jesus himself said, the kingdom of God (God himself) is already within every single person; this includes the Holy Spirit. Why pay for what they, including their children, already have, and were FREELY given? Mr Cullinan would have them believe that he (and he alone) can give them something they lack: the Holy Spirit. For a ‘contribution’, of course?
Don’t dance to this Pied Piper’s tune: when all is said and done, he’ll just guffaw at the lot of you.

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This is like when you pay for the reliquary a relic is in but not the relic. If you told them just to give you the relic in a jar we all know what the answer would be.
Ie it’s simony, they just pretend it isn’t.

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4.26
Have glanced through your comment I’d be inclined to give my full support to Bishop Phonsie. Try taking a sleeping tablet.

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Is it a sin against the Holy Spirit to hint at a money contribution for the Holy Spirit. What next?

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9.56
Sorry it went over your head.
On the bright side, you must be used to the experience by now.

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9:56 is inclined to give his full support to Phonsie on the basis of disliking a comment/commenter here and not on the basis of Phonsies stated policy or action.
They really are incredibly childish aren’t they?

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Keep your nose out Sister Margaret. You sound like a right busybody and mischief maker. You auld nosey bitch.

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Priests have a terrible track record for abusing nuns. No wonder they are now rarer than a Corncrake. Leave Sr Margaret alone, she’s at least over 65 years old which would make her a teenager in nun speak.

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Bastardo alert! Nasty Padre should be doing his rosary or something but here he is undermining Sr. Margaret and that’s when he’s not doing his keyhole Kate or Nelly the steamer carry on.

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Pat, you will vulturise poor Bishop Cullinan under any pretext. He merely offered an opportunity to people to contribute towards Youth Work in his Diocese which is not a bad idea. He’s not imposing a tax!! The young candidates are usually asked to give a little of their fortune to a charity, just a little. Some classes come up with an idea to support as a class. However, we try to persuade parents not to overspend. We suggest pragmatism, being sensible and careful. The Church does not want any family to be anxious or worrying re: clothes, outfits etc…Most are sensible. I have never in 40 years witnessed any imposing of a “fee” on children and families. I’d not ever approve of such. In all parishes I’ve been I ensured that the parish be over generous, even to supplying a party to all classes and their families, paying for booklets, flowers, etc…For the past couple of years we’ve purchased a lovely booklet with inspirational, modern moral/Christian messages for their personal usage. The Bishops wording and timing are wrong but he does not deserve to be attacked by Pat. We know there’s history between them, though the war is one-sided! Let all parishes send out welcome, hospitality, kindness and make the Confirmation Day as memorable and relaxed as possible – not forgetting of course the spiritual dimension. I feel very sorry for young people today because they are living in a time when religious faith is not supported, their homes are not filled with religious icons or practices, they are under the spell of horrible influencers on social media, they are often confused about many things, they are very vulnerable. We as adults forget that the Confirmation age is 12…and these young people need much love, care, guidance and support – and the Holy Spirit of God.

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So if you already take one collection and the kids have already come up with the things you mention why the begging letter as well. It’s not Pat Buckley who’s being the vulture here.

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9.55: Can you not read properly without adding to my comments, very wrongfully too? I stated clearly in my comments that I have never witnessed any requesting if money by any P.P and I have never done so in 40 years. FACT. Children come up with their own suggestions spontaneously when making commitments about the ways they can live their Christian faith and the gospel if Christ. FACT. What’s your problem? Oh, it’s Bishop Cullinane? Isn’t it? I do not work in his Diicese. His “suggestiin” is admirable. Stop dancing in the head if a needle or hopping to Pat’s tune!! You’d be a much better person. If you’re a regular reader you’ll have well realises the years of “animus” between Pat and the good Bishop Cullinane. There’s years of such and I deliberately use the word vulturise as it aptly describes the horrid behaviour encouraged by this blog.

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11:37
I’m not 9:55 but the concern of myself and many others worldwide are with those victims and survivors and families being proactively denied and obstructed by the Roman Catholic Church the truth, justice, apologies, compensation in proven matters of sexual and financial criminality including identity document forgery and child trafficking owing to them for decades.

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11:37
So the children are leading this spontaneously with no suggestion at all. Supposedly.
Oh, the number of times we’ve heard priests and bishops claim in court that children led things over the past few decades, only to realize that children are not adults and the adults are accountable for these things.
Did you mean to supply today’s illustration of how RCs don’t get safeguarding in any shape or form?

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12.19
Cullinan ‘merely offered’ the Faithful an opportuity to donate? You make it sound as though Cullinan were doing them a favour.
Do grow up.

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Who are all those young people traipsing around Bishop Phonsies house?
Are they allowed to receive the HPV vaccine and the Covid vaccination or is that against his personalised take on the RC religion still?

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They expect payment for baptisms, weddings, funerals, even for Masses. So, is it really surprising that Bishop Cullinan would ask parents for a financial contribution at their children’s Confirmation? These parents will probably feel constrained to donate. I wonder whether Cullinan has suggested how much a contribution should be.
I expect other bishops in Ireland will have a pecuniary eye on this manouvre to see how lucrative it will be, or to see Cullinan fall on his face.

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Father Gerry Magee, who has campaigned for justice for abuse victims, said: “If they’d reported every allegation of abuse against priests when they were first made aware of them, the church would not be in the state it is in today.
“Too much time and effort was spent protecting the institution rather than protecting vulnerable children and adults. There is ample evidence that ‘problem’ priests were moved about.”
The common denominator is always bishops. Bishops must lead with integrity. When they do not, they must be held to account. An Offaly woman must receive a public apology. There are no two ways about it.

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6.15
But remember it’s not so long ago that cases of CSA in Ireland were held in camera such was society’s horror of the phenomenon.
While hindsight is a wonderful perspective, it would have been too much to have expected bishops and other religious authorities to have taken a counter cultural stance on this issue and to have publicised it.

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10:01 conveniently ignores the facts that John XXIII told the bishops to handle abuse in house rather than report it (ie because they knew it was a crime) and that in the cover story of the Catholic religion sex with a child would be a mortal sin so the hierarchy would have a clear duty to stop it.
This is how cult brainwashing twists the reality for its victims.

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6:15 Change that to “All” their time and effort was spent protecting the institution rather than protecting vulnerable children and adults”.
Nothing has changed. Zero moral compass in the RCC and it’s corrupt networks.

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A new day
A new dawn
Yet another revelation confirming the true priorities of the Irish bishops.
Bishop Phonsie today, Bishop Tom Deenihan tomorrow maybe and so on and so on…….
Meanwhile, victims and survivors due waiting for compensation whilst party animal Fr Rory Coyle and his likes are subsidised to the tune of £300,00 of parishioners money to enable him to indulge his duplicitous lifestyle at their expense out of sight in London and now back in Ireland saying Mass with the blessing of his devoted advocate, Archbishop Eamon Martin who continues to vehemently resist Irish government requests for the large quantities of under-utilised church properties to alleviate the current Irish housing and homeless crisis. Meanwhile, Archbishop Martin and colleagues continue to enjoy Irish government assistance with heating and energy grants for their domestic and public buildings and lucrative tax breaks and charitable status despite their complete indifference and clearly communicated lack of remorse or willingness to make practical amends for the devastation that the Irish Roman Catholic Church has visited on thousands of mothers, orphans and others for decades.
The Irish Roman Catholic Church is a shameless and unrepentant mafia organisation.

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Baptism, First Holy Communion, Confirmations, Weddings and Funerals seem to be the only times when Catholics attend Church….you don’t see the majority of Catholics for dust in between. It’s obvious why: no respect for priests, the RCC and its Bishops and, frankly, the very doubt that God even exists. Attendances seem only to be for insurance purposes and for Hope “just in case”.

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Seems reasonable to me. The celebrations after cost money and people dont have a problem paying for them. On so called cost of living crisis I was reading Irish people have more money in the bank than anyone in the world. More of the blather u hear on fake news media

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Current right wing politics and media has taken the strategies of the cult and run with them, especially
1. Accusing everyone else of being abusers
2. Making out they’re being persecuted
3. Making out everyone else is lying or fake media
4. Pretending to be Christian.
These are all clear characteristics of a cult.

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12:08 rushes in to illustrate that they also do point 1 with everything else. Every accusation is an admission, and when you are in a cult it becomes so normal that you can’t face the reality that not everyone belongs to a cult.
The whole basis of cult brainwashing is that everything is fine in the cult and everyone else is scary.
Thank you for demonstrating this so clearly.

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Seanie boy, now where we’re you reading that: the Daily Fail?
And you’re criticising fake news!
Oh the irony of it!!!!!

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12 28: Which ‘ism’ or cult do you represent? Atheism? Your argument is fallacious and silly. You don’t like being called out, do you?

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He doesn’t say how a charge / contribution might be made. Will it be a poll tax per head / candidate ? Remember what that did to Thatcher ! Perhaps better would be a special retiring collection once a year around confirmation time. However, there are so many retiring collections these days. All the fine sounding initiatives and job titles really are just a cover to appear as though things are happening and buzzing, whereas the reality is that things are going down the tubes and more systemic and radical changes need to be made, not just inventing some away day or new job title. Typo is in paragraph 1, line 1 – “you will have to (the) joy…”

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‘Confirmation is an opportunity to take a more adult responsibility for one’s [sic] faith…’
Good luck with that, when their pastors are on here going on about social workers and calling Pat a c##t.

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Wonder what Waterford’ and Lismore balance sheet and published Mass attendance figures are?

That intel would provide a backdrop to the new Confirmation Tax.

Monetising the Sacraments or Simony as prefer to call it is a constant preoccupation of the hierarchy and has been since Constantine.

Indeed the foolish monetising of Purgatory led to the Reformation.

Every Sacrament (except ordination) has a tax in one shape or form.

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By the way how about this for a statistic:
The US has had:
Over 7000 priest clerical abusers.
25.000 Victims
Spent 10 Billion dollars on legal settlements.
Staggering criminality.

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The Roman Catholic Church is just playing for time and enjoying the ride at the expense of the “faithful sheep”says:

A high percentage of victims don’t report for various reasons including :

They and or family Mentally and physically intimidated and threatened

Shame – don’t want spouse or children to know.

Don’t forget those staggering figures would be much higher if more victims and survivors and witnesses came forward across the world and it will happen.

A Roman Catholic tsunami is imminent and the land and property disposal has commenced so that the holy ones will have snatched the cash and disappeared into the sunset.

It’ll do for their day,

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I know a number of priests. The RC ones all have exotic holidays, pilgrimages to Lourdes and drinks trays stacked with bottles of gin. Living expenses are paid and many take the michael.
Bishop Egan booked the Hampshire Centre Court Hotel for a clergy conference. He pays £100k to the Diocesan CEO. What a waste of money.
An independent priest I know makes his income from leading crematorium services even non religious ones.
Maybe it is the time for RC clergy, who have diminished congregations, to get evening jobs stacking supermarket shelves.

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9:52
Heaven forbid, if the priests taking the Michael were made to stack supermarket shelves in the evenings, establishments such at the Boiler Room saunas and the fine wine and whisky importers would find themselves down here in the dirt with the common working people struggling to make ends meet in the cost of living crisis.

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Phonsie’s focussing on the adult nature of the sacrament is out of touch with contemporary sacramental theology which seeks to recover an earlier understanding of Confirmation as the final stage of entry into full communion to the church.

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My sister and her husband gave each week to their parish offertory collection plus others that come up from time to time. About £900 a year and then the parish claimed back tax. Not a big sum but sizable given their income. Forty odd years supporting their parish.
She arranged a wedding cermoney for their granddaughter and was
shocked when she was hit with a charge for the church, sacristan and priest. She was under the illusion she was supporting all three through their weekly collection. She queried this payment and the PP came back to her with the old “it’s diocesan policy” line. Needless to say she cancelled her direct debits and will arrange the one off payment which will probably be demanded as per diocesan policy, when her time comes to depart this earth. She feels bad about it but that’s life.
Bishop Cullinan has just found another way to rip off the faithful. Disgraceful.
I hope other bishops don’t follow. We all have to live within our means why not the church and it is not poor. Incidently, the PP has just taken delivery of a new car worth at least 35k, maybe more, and is not long back from a ten day ‘short’ break to Portugal.
No wonder they have to invent more ways to milk the faithful. God be with the days when the widow’s two small coins was much appreciated.

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I’m afraid when you’ve been taken in by a scam there isn’t an easy way to discover it.
I disagree with your wish that other bishops don’t follow – the only way people wake up is when they notice they’re being scammed and since people are apparently happy to pay for an increased number of extra collections they’re going to have to get the realization in other ways.

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Sorry this is off topic as I do not wish to derail this thread.
There was one deaf man whom I shared the same dorm for few years. Since he left Cabra decades ago as I haven’t heard from him for many years.
You may be wondering why I was bringing this up today. Cos there was one notorious CB abuser who often picked him for his BJ.
We couldn’t do anything until a deaf guy big for his age, he’s well used to fights and a street brawler. He came in to our dorm as he thumped that notorious CB one night as we all laughed. Cos that CB was shocked and staggeringly getting up by saying ‘who hit me’.
It was only this morning that I heard that sad news re him who ended up in ICU. Previous traumas might be too much for him as I’m only guessing here… I’m not an expert.
So i am asking you priests and lay people as well to say one little prayer for him so that God may be merciful and heal him or recover etc.

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Monsignor toddus

Yeah sad ending though. It just saddened my morning today cos I knew him and chatted to him on and off then disappeared for many decades until this morning . His bed was couple of metres away from my bed. I had seen few cbs abusers approached his bed.

One CB who got thumped big time as he never went back to that bed ever again. That was the main message to him that night. Friend texted me this morning that deaf man had a hard life in Cabra cos since from age 5 or 6.

I was bit lucky as compared to him. Cos went to different school instead at age 4 then cabra at age 10. Plus I used to tell any CB that I would report no matter what. Then I was marked afterwards. I just wanted to defend myself from them.

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Will you for once, READ a comment before making a reply. Deaf Guy did NOT say that his friend had died. He asked for prayers for him. Think twice before you put something on public display.

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10:20

The truth of what happened this vulnerable dead young student should be publicised to ensure this atrocity of clerics targeting vulnerable young people is stopped. Still far too much of it going on.

Prayers for your friend and his family and for all affected by this awful news.

Rest in peace.

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Anon to sympathy at 11.03am

Wanted to clarify this with you or others.

He isn’t dead as he’s lying in ICU somewhere in South East Ireland hospital cos they won’t tell me where as his family wanted to keep it private.

But we as ex bed mates of him knew what he went through
some nights defenceless. We couldnt do anything cos we were that small for our age, not big enough to fight until a deaf street brawler came into our dorm as bed mate as he stopped all that.

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11:26am
Thank you for clarifying Deaf Guy.
My family, friends and I will pray for a good outcome for this young man.
Where there is life there is hope 🙏

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“Render unto Phonsie what is his”. Lets face it the missing 70k has to come from somewhere.

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10:56 It’s fascinating to see how the clerical retorts below have completely (deliberately?) missed the point of your comment.
An excellent comment and point.

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Of course they’ve missed it, they don’t have to wonder where the next meal’s coming from. 😂

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10.56: That’s a laughable, silly comment. Families make decisions to dine out on such occasions. You’re obviously out of the loop. Some families, sensibly, stay at home, others make a big day of it. That’s their decision. The meal after the ceremony, if it happens today, is a thank you for teachers, chaplain and choir/organist director…and the Bishop..Why not? These gestures are important. In nine years in one parish the only “meal” provided was a plate of beautifully prepared sandwiches, desserts and tea/coffee. All were grateful. And for most of the years I was the celebrant. No visiting hierarch! There’s a horrible stench of stupid begrudgery all over your comnent. Really, get a grip.

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An in at 10.56: If you give me your name, I’ll happily invite you to the table! But it will be in the back end of the school canteen!! No fancy stuff.

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Ah, so you’re a cleric. Oh, the irony of a cleric posing as a woman, specifically a schoolmarm, on the internet.
But I don’t doubt this irony will go over your head.

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11.15pm

I love the idea that you feel compelled to add the rejoinder ‘do keep up’ suggesting intellectual incompetence on my part but condescension and fragile ego on yours.

For the avoidance of any doubt I’m confident neither the candidate for ordination or his family are taxed for the use of the sacristy or church whereas other sacraments, marriage, and seemingly confirmation are.

I shall refrain from asking you to ‘keep up’ as I’m sure someone of your undoubtable intellect can do so effortlessly.

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12:23 I said you weren’t keeping up and you’re not.
A reading of this blog and other sources would have made you aware that ordination is taxed.
Now I know that you, in the manner of your ilk, are sticking to a narrow definition of a tax as a financial payment, so that you can avoid the facts revealed on this blog and elsewhere.
There is a tax to pay, and it’s not necessarily financial.
I looove driving these fools to school.

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Leave Phonsie alone! At least he is trying to facilitate the youth of the diocese. A good friend of Opus Dei he is not going around diocese with the latest jag or fancy rings and hair oil to please the ladies. Our bishop uses Google maps and has great time travelling around the huge diocese at the expense of the faithful..he doesn’t do anything that would be newsworthy of any blog..His inaction is defeaning..
Hasta luego amigos!!

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I’d love to hear him on WLRFM for a change.
I’m worn out from listening to him on TippFm.

Not a leader for the whole diocese of W&L

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Catholicism/religion needs to taken out of the school curriculum, let the parents provide religious education, it would be interesting to see how many children would then be going forward for Confirmation.
The fear is sow deep with an every increasing expanding root system, reinforced over the following impressionable years, that is where the rot sets in, finding it impossible to leave the cult, “the dye is caste” with the constant company of fear and, of losing out on the sop of nirvana, the oldest bloody trick in the book, that, which for some is the golden carrot, they will acquiesce to anything to achieve the promised land, (others not for religious reasons whatsoever) just hedging their bets will do likewise, the pull of eternal life, ah, life after death, they think is just within reach, waiting with wide open doors, “eternal” life begins…… true under the sod.

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Thank you QP.
Your comment nicely goes to the heart of the great RCC religious scam. I know many fine reliable morally upright young people who have been brought up in non religious households. And they have sound compassionate values mirroring their sensible parents attitudes.
Their numbers will increase. It’s inevitable as the RCC’s persistent ‘own goals’ of abuse continue to be exposed. And that’s quite apart from the increasing numbers realising the vacuity of the whole mythical God farrago.
MMM

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Few things jumped out at me re today blog.

‘ALL such services have a COST factor’. This is money speak language. Is he really saying that all church services have a COST factor 🤷‍♀️.

Rcc becoming a business organisation cos the way they speak as a business language. That bishop says nothing about jesus.

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If people are coming to the church for the sacrament of confirmation, I do not think it is unreasonable to ask them to financially support the churchs mission. They will have no problem spending money on parties. If of course they are just lying publicly, and don’t want to be members of the church, then they should stay away.

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Why shouldn’t we ask for a donation (it is a donation and not a charge as the headline ‘mistakenly’ leads us to believe)? If non-attending parents consider it okay for me to contribute week after week towards the education of their child (if regular mass goers don’t then who does), then it’s more than fine by me to ask them for a donation towards the several thousand I’ve already shelled out. Someone has to pay for the daily upkeep of the church they expect to be able to ‘use’ (free of charge) once every ten years. If parents attend and contribute every week, then there’s no obligation to do so at all; they’ve already paid. Not a problem really.

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The letter says “an opportunity to contribute…..”

If someone doesn’t want to give, they don’t give. Same as any collection in the Church for any cause.

Storm in a teacup

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2.45: Storm in a teacup being whipped up, tsunami like by the Patboths to ridicule Bishop Cullinane. Horrible nastyites led by chief at Larne. Storm in a teacup. People are FREE not to contribute. Simple as. Grow up little girlies.

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@4:37: “people are FREE not to contribute ” sez you. “Simple as”
When you post such comment it indicates you have little understanding of social pressures and psychological blackmail.
Probably indicates that you’re a priest too. Most of them live in an environment and from a background which cultivates such blinkered perspectives.

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12.555pm

Ah bless your little contrary heart.

A tax is fiscal within the context of todays blog – a confirmation tax. Clergy or candidates for ordination are not invited to pay a tax for thei ordination ceremony whereas lay people are invited to pay a tax for their sacramental privilege, be it marriage or confirmation.

I know it’s difficult but do try and keep up.

What’s next a tax or wedge for the sacraments of Anointing of the Sick and Reconciliation!!

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4.11pm

ROFL???

I think you’ll find I know exactly what you’re ‘getting act’ the issue is more about not what I’m getting at but what I’m clearly stating!!

Simples!!

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It’s a mystery. Why do modern parents bother with silly, superstitious Catholic rituals these days? Nothing happens at them. It’s all in their heads, and what is in those heads wss put there by an education system dominated by a morally disgraced church and its priests. So again, why do modern parents bother with those rituals, especially since they are organised and administered by priests?

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My favourite thing about this blog is the way the clergy start foaming at the mouth.
I hope that gives them a taste of what it’s like not to be believed and not to be in control. This is what they could do with far more than any amount in donations.

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I stopped all my payments to the catholic church 8 years ago and give my money to a dog rescue instead. A lot of little canine souls saved and I know how the money’s spent. Couldn’t be happier. Highly recommend it!

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@6:40: “Gone to the dogs!”
A much more useful trajectory than the RCC’s plunging decline.
Well ✔️ done.
Best way to treat the RCC.

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The air fares of those American nuns to the diocese who have no interest in being inculturated into Ireland with their American forms of religion have to be paid for.

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Anyone who’d think that the Irish form of religion is worth emulating or inculturating into, needs their head examined. It’s a sorry tale of guilt, Jansenism, rushed Masses, a Low Church mentality, no intellectual interest in theology, and is notorious for being the global epicentre of clerical and religious abuse.

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9.31
It’s doubtful you ever had a sense of balance if that’s your best effort at summarising Irish culture. But if you did it’s well and truly deserted you.

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Completely confused by this thread. Who is the ex-seminarians turned lapsed catholic? This thread is all over the place and doesn’t make any sense. None of it has any relevance to the topic.
Incidentally, it has become more laborious in the last few days to get into this blog. The internet now comes up with all sorts of dates instead of the blog.

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https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/16803/bishops-emphasise-dignity-in-new-migrants-document
This is the sort of thing that the Church has got right, shining out from all the awful, criminal and abusive behaviour that we hear about on this blog. If only the Church would concentrate on this kind of thing rather than working to uphold a clerical and hierarchical culture of priest and bishop. The Church’s teaching on Social Justice and also on the seamless teaching of Respect for Life are the only bits of Church teaching that I value these days. As for the rest, well, I’ve given up on that a long time ago….

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