OH WAIT, LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT CECILIA PAYNE.
“Since her death in 1979, the woman who discovered what the universe is made of has not so much as received a memorial plaque. Her newspaper obituaries do not mention her greatest discovery. […] Every high school student knows that Isaac Newton discovered gravity, that Charles Darwin discovered evolution, and that Albert Einstein discovered the relativity of time. But when it comes to the composition of our universe, the textbooks simply say that the most abundant atom in the universe is hydrogen. And no one ever wonders how we know.”
Cecilia Payne’s mother refused to spend money on her college education, so she won a scholarship to Cambridge.
Cecilia Payne completed her studies, but Cambridge wouldn’t give her a degree because at that time there’s not much exposure for woman, so she said to heck with that and moved to the United States to work at Harvard.
Cecilia Payne was the first person ever to earn a Ph.D. in astronomy from Radcliffe College, with what Otto Strauve called “the most brilliant Ph.D. thesis ever written in astronomy.”
Not only did Cecilia Payne discover what the universe is made of, she also discovered what the sun is made of (Henry Norris Russell, a fellow astronomer, is usually given credit for discovering that the sun’s composition is different from the Earth’s, but he came to his conclusions four years later than Payne—after telling her not to publish).
Cecilia Payne is the reason we know basically anything about variable stars (stars whose brightness as seen from earth fluctuates). Literally, every other study on variable stars is based on her work.
Cecilia Payne was the first woman to be promoted to full professor from within Harvard, and is often credited with breaking the glass ceiling for women in the Harvard science department and in astronomy, as well as inspiring entire generations of women to take up science.
When I accidentally came across this piece in the last few days, I was both SAD and ANGRY.
I hate people being done an injustice of any kind, but especially by the establishment.
In Celilia’s case, she suffered and continues to suffer, an injustice by the scientific and academic establishments.
This blog concentrates mainly on the myriad of injustices perpetrated on people by the RCC establishment and its functionaries.
The victims of the RCC include children, women, youths, seminarians, orphans, nuns, native people, the elderly ………..
110 replies on “WHEN GOOD PEOPLE ARE OVELOOKED AND SUFFER INJUSTICE.”
You hate people having to suffer injustice. And yet look at the injustice you did to me and the baseless lies that you told and propogated. I will make deal with you- publish this and i will will wmail you and arrange to meet to discuss it all. Have you the courage of your convictions?
If I wronged you I will, if you wish, correct it here and give you a full apology.
You won’t be getting an email from 10:32. If you had actually wronged him and he was up for contacting you he would do so instead of dropping silly hints on your blog.
This is the classic tactic of clergy to undermine people by making out you’ve done something wrong.
Very disappointing to hear 9.35am engaging in victim blaming. Why would someone contact Pat with sincere motives when they risk being condemned and denigrated by the likes of you?
The Roman Catholic Church mirror the Mafia with their desperate need for omerta and money.
The Mafia have secret oaths or law and the Vatican has the ‘pontifical secret’.
Keep publishing the historical truth about the Roman Catholic institutional church, Pat. Because if it isn’t published, its priests will not be checked by personal conscience, since this aspect of their being was traded in on the day of their respective ordinations.
How is this the fault of the Catholic Church? She was an Anglican who attended Anglican schools and then Cambridge and Harvard. Where’s the Catholic link?
Example of “normal and widely exercised” Roman Catholic deflection tactic @ 11:21pm.
No wonder sexual and financial abuse is so widely accepted and covered up for amongst so called “faithful” lay & clerical persons of such an insular and incesteous mindset.
9.10:: Your usual soundbyte. All other legitimate opinion yo you is deflection. Utterly bizarre. Ever think your shallow soundbytes are “major deflections and lies”???
Birds of a feather flock together
It’s a highly profitable enterprise is the RCC
You seem to know who 9.10 is. Can you tell us? Or are you codding?
Everything isn’t all about you, you know, 11:21, although you would like it to be. 😂
Another dose of Narcissistic Syndrome on display @ 11:21pm.
They don’t hesitate to dish it out but don’t take the return serve too well.
9.36am. Are you the abusive “banned” alkie who normally insists that only Catholic abuse cases should be of concern to the blog?
2:51 “banned” from where?
Anglicans up to their usual tricks.
Roman Catholic deflection!
Thank you, Pat, for allowing the ‘faithful’ another opportunity to show how they treat survivors, Anglicans, and pretty well everyone else. If you’re in RC circles the only way you can remain safe is never to be born.
Almost every comment up to point today is so stereotypically reactionary anti-Catholic that one is minded to conclude that either they are parodies or alternatively, Pat’s blog is doing some good to these commenters and their allies by providing them with a formum to express pent-up emotional damage.
Commenter @ 11:26 reflects the usual RC stalking of & lack of empathy for victims of Roman Catholic abuse.
And it was with the slip ‘formum’ at 11:26 that Freud passed through the blog.
Word salad at 12:55.
Suggest to revisit the meaning of the expression, Freuduan slip. And concentrate on the substance of the comment.
Mar 26, 2023 at 11:21 pm
You are missing the point! This piece is not abut her religion, although many might give her discoveries a religious connotation.
The article is simply pointing out, even though her brilliant mind and, her groundbreaking revelation, as a woman she has not being given the accolade which a man in her position would undoubtedly would have received.
She was also the first woman Professor to teach in Harvard, surely a grass ceiling achievement.
Yes! There is a connection with the Roman Catholic church, which is, women are almost completely disregarded by the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic church, irrespective of, their knowledge, skills, or academic achievements, some highly educated women working as domestics for Roman Catholic bishops, it is misogyny which would not be tolerated in the secular world.
1) In Vatican Magazine Exposé, Nuns Reveal Their Economic Exploitation
By Elisabetta Povoledo March 1, 2018
2)Nun Hopes For More Gender Equality In The Church
09:06 January 27, 2015
3)Vatican magazine denounces treatment of nuns as domestic servants for bishops
Thu 01 Mar 2018by Press Association
The RCC has a strong tendency to attract the type of women who are more than willing to collude with male clergy in discriminational practices against other women and their children.
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12:09, Of course. You won’t find any other sort of women drawn to an organization where they can’t lead, minister, use contraception or have abortions.
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9:38 You mean you don’t find women drawn to an organization where they dominate and pretend not to use contraception, have abortions or have sex.
Proactively Perverting the course of justice is a seriously grave matter.
Mar 27, 2023 at 12:09 am
Which begs the question, would women who desire to become priest(ess) be more of the same, or would they bring a completely new dimension to the priesthood? My gut feeling is, that status quo would continue to be the order of the day, especially if the hierarchy at the Vatican continue to be all men.
What are the qualities that draws male or female towards becoming a priest? I am sure it isn’t always a religious one or, even a desire to serve.
So what is the attraction, elevated position, free housing, mixing with the homosexual men, and women, sex on tap, a salary (be it meagre still could make a pile though indulgences, which is till alive and thriving,) not to much work/easy life, provision for old age, dictator, (no one every stands up during the homily, to contradict or,put their rational point forward, what a stupid situation!)
Standing in the pulpit
He gazes down
Abuses the congregation
A strange disciple of Christ
Love for voices not people
And certainly not women’s voices…..
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From the pulpit
At the “reserved aisle”
The guilty who had not paid
With red faces
He hurls torrents of abuse
Right and gallery the reserved aisle
A yearly subscription for the privilege
Occupied daily by
Shopkeepers, doctors, solicitors
People of property
Centre working class
Right women left men
Left hand side
All knew their place
Will he call the names
The sin is grave
Pew rent not paid
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I talked to him of races
Phoenix Park, Naas and the Curragh
Listening intently he
Gave me his individual attention
Taking each event as in confession
Asking where I lived
He knew it by the trainers living there
I talked of events gone by
He pegged them to years
That Santa Claus won the Derby
E.S.B. the National
Or the snow on the first day of Punchestown
A joy to talk to him
We parted with a wave of absolution
And advice to follow Dermot Weld for the Summer
Any conflicted priest is a danger to himself and others.
His addictive and fixated behaviour becomes an explosive cocktail when he is ministering to the broken and vulnerable as he often is.
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12:44 Excellent point. The only thing you’ve missed is that there is no priest who isn’t conflicted because their entire life is built on pretending to be celibate. Therefore what you say applies to every priest.
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Stalker clerics and their “colleagues” inside & outside of the RCC are a major issue identified by victims, survivors & whistleblowers, families & friends.
Honestly how could any sane person live like that.
No wonder priests and all their types are so weird and shifty.
Wouldn’t it just be easier to move on and make a new authentic life. The hidden rather than the published financial remuneration obviously makes it all worthwhile.
The Roman Catholic Church completely fails to see its own arrogance in its dismal treatment of women.
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Like to think they are hip and attract a certain following usually with disastrous consequences over the passage of time
RCC hierarchy have a log in their eye when it comes to the role of women in what these men see as their church.
Modern day bishops have no stomach for hard decisions, they wish to remain popular so choose not to deal with priests found to be living in ways incongruent with their priesthood.
As we read on this blog and elsewhere, bishops deflect from the real issues in their own interests and play for time to hand the problems on to their successors.
The RCC and some of its hierarchy and associates will find themselves before the ICC at The Hague charged with crimes against humanity.
It is definitely moving in that direction – especially as more atrocities against various groups are uncovered.
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There is no justice as long as the authorities allow yet another cleric to claim they didn’t know their abuse was illegal.
The over privileged cleric has a lifetime guarantee of protection and the victims are slandered, vilified and thrown to the wolves.
People may have walked away from the Roman Catholic Church but they have not walked away from the faith of Jesus and his teachings.
These parasites in collars and their cohorts do not own God.
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One of the worst priest paedophiles, Fr Tony Walsh was released from prison in 2021 after 16 years locked up.
It is estimated that he abused hundreds of children.
He raped one boy with a crucifix!
The Archdiocese of Dublin did not report Fr Walsh to the Irish police/ Gardai for 17 years after discovering he was a child abuser!
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How many more children did Fr Tony Walsh abuse in the 17 years that the Roman Catholic Church did knowingly and deliberately allow him to remain.
Any private company would be charged, have its assets liquidated and victims compensated for deliberate endangerment.
Sabbatical means one thing in the dictionary and the rest of the world and another thing in the RCC.
In the real world a sabbatical means a paid period of time off usually after serving in a place like a university for a set number of years.
In the Roman Catholic Church it can mean anything:
1. In hiding after making a woman pregnant.
2. Lying low after the church discovered you fathered a child.
3. A break in between parishes after some money has gone missing.
4. And more regularly these days, time off after being outed for being actively gay; waving your willie at young men on the Internet; discovered attending a gay sauna; found having sex on an altar with a seminarian, etc; etc.
Its very hard to know what sabbatical means in the RCC.
Fr John Paul Lyttle went on sabbatical after:
1. Inviting a young police man for dinner and 3 bottles of wine at his parish in Reading.
2. Asking the police man to stay over telling him the PP was away.
3. Telling the police man that he himself is ” always horny, wanks and watches gay porn”.
4. The young policeman, who was contemplating a vocation, was shocked and reported the incident to the diocese.
The diocese and its bishop, Egan, then sent him to live in another parish and said he was doing “research”.
The people copped on to where he was and then he left there.
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Sabbatical generally means they are being hidden away by their hierarchy and colleagues because the caca has already hit the fan, is about to hit the fan or they are enlisted to work on damage limitation exercises elsewhere in relation to caca generated by clerical or other high ranking lay colleagues in the Roman Catholic Church.
PB JPL – Ahhh, the gift that just keeps giving ! Does anybody know where he is hanging out these days ? Still doing special projects for the bishop ? I do hope that he is being encouraged to ‘move on’ and make a new life for himself before it gets too late. He will find life much more to his liking if he just went on to a new life, away from the priesthood and the Church. Hopefully, he will come to that conclusion himself.
Fr John Paul Lyttle and Fr now Dr Rory Coyle (7 year sabbatical paid for by parishioners whilst he travels, frequents gay sports clubs & plays around obtaining a superfluous PhD that required minimum effort on his part) – these 2 guys alone have had up to 500,000 spent on them.
The obvious question is WHY????
What do these 2 priests have on their superiors????
Serious questions on this and all of the other lies being circulated to protect the financial interests and luxurious lifestyles & pensions, foreign travel and retirement homes for what amounts to a Mafia of paedophile protectors and financial and property crooks in all corners of the international Roman Catholic Church.
Fr. Tom Deenihan’s ongoing persecution of Dom Benedict Andersen, the true Prior of Silverstream, is an injustice. As we continue our Lenten journey, is it possible that Fr. Tom Deenihan might take a moment to reflect on his immoral mistreatment of Dom Benedict Andersen?
If Fr. Tom Deenihan wants to publish an Easter message of hypocrisy and propaganda, the Westmeath Examiner and the Meath Chronicle must say no in solidarity with Dom Benedict Andersen.
The Irish Bishops are media and money men.
Social influencers minus the false nails and fake tan although what they do at night they might regard as their own private business although they certainly do not respect the privacy of others.
More double standards from the “special” clericals and their cohorts.
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I went on ‘sabbatical’ of my own accord for no sinister reason other than I was tired and unwell, and after 3 months extended it to 6 months and then to 12 months. All paid for by me and family. From the fringes I looked back at the last 35 years, and thought what a load of old tosh I had been upholding, and how untrue to myself I had been. I simply did not believe a huge amount of what I was being expected / required to uphold, even by simply being a priest. So, I just didn’t go back. The bishop and VG have given up calling now. I continue to see more clearly through the fog and mist of Catholicism, clericalism, and lots of other things, and things are beginning to look clearer for me. I’m going to carry on searching for new things, and leave all that Catholic stuff behind for the most part, perhaps except those things that simply come from being human and trying to love and do good – essentially the Beatitudes. What liberation !
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Best wishes to you.
@9:28 – lucky for you ! Fact is most of us are not able to do that. Money is the problem. You cut the umbilical cord and it cuts off all that you need to survive. So, many of us are stuck in some kind of indentured servitude. Bishops are not inclined to be understanding and generous. They just want bodies to fill slots.
So you are a total sponger who doesn’t have the integrity to leave. Far from being a slave, you get a free house and a stipend, paid for by believers, who don’t realise that you are a fraud and a hypocrite.
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It did for your day, @9.28am.
You could do the same Joe
What a begrudger you are.
11:02 What day do you expect it to ‘do’ for? An imagined future?
Given that y’all are incapable of seeing kiddy fiddlers in the parochial houses I wouldn’t bet on your being able to see the future. 😂
Anon@9:28. Well done, and welcome to the Journey.
A fellow traveller, Dervla Murphy, well known for her books on her travels, writes eloquently in Ch 2 of “A Place Apart” concerning N Ireland. She describes her personal journey from R. Catholicism to what she calls ‘agnostic humanism.’
Perhaps in your search for ‘new things’ you would find Humanism useful to explore.
Not the first woman scientist badly wronged.
Austrian Jew Lisa Meitner was the first person to correctly figure out the exact process of nuclear fission of uranium and therefore fission full stop. Enrico Fermi got the Nobel Prize the year before for the wrong theory. Otto Hahn, who had collaborated with Meitner but had not figured out the process, got the Nobel Prize in 1944. The Swedes would not give it to a Jew for fear of angering Der Krauts. There’s still a movement these days to get her her well deserved prize. Between Meitner and Marie Curie radioactivity was both discovered and correctly postulated almost entirely by women.
It’s interesting to note that JP LYTTLE and the Parish Priest (and former VG) MICHAEL DENNEHEY are both currently ‘on sabbatical’?
Taught by BISHOP EGAN at the notorious OSCOTT college, JP also had EGAN as his spiritual director, which means that EGAN was in full knowledge and gave full consent to ordaining the disaster JP LYTTLE. PHIL EGAN is not capable of making good decisions. There’s been a whole catalogue of disasters in PORTSMOUTH since he arrived.
To be fair to Henry Russell, he clearly and explicitly acknowledged Cecilia’s priceless PhD contribution when he published his paper. What a woman!
There is a blue plaque on the house he was born in, in Wendover Buckinghamshire, the Parish Council decide to fix a blue plaque to the Holywell Lodge a house in Wendover?
It was the birthplace of Cecilia Payne-Gaposchkin
it acknowledges the important part Wendover played in allowing her to do the genuinely world beating work she did in Harvard.
That led to her obituary in the Washington Post, no less, in December 1979.
We are writing to correct the commenter @ 5:53pm yesterday as follows:
Fr Michael Collins is the priest in Newmarket on Fergus and not Fr Tom Fitzpatrick
This is a very respectable parish being the birthplace of our President, Michael D Higgins.
That is all for now.
Good parishes are not RESPECTABLE parishes
Good parishes certainly are RESPECTABLE. Lots of parishes do good works: warm spaces, food banks, helping the homeless and the house bound. Lots of parishioners provide rent free accommodation for ungrateful clergy with boulders on their shoulders.
Give credit where credit is due.
The infamous Abbot of Roscrea & Mount Mellary Richard “Rawhide” Purcell is currently being introduced publicly back into the “fold” enjoying photo shoots with some compliant and some unwitting pensioners rolled up for the latest drumroll fake news PR stunt at which the Irish clerical hierarchy and their associates are so adept.
Galway beach wanker Fr Jerry Carey and Fr Gerard Fitzgerald are also similarly linked to Roscrea.
Fr Treacy and Fr Harding are currently on, wait for it, oh yes, SABBATICALS…..
Can we get some status on GF? He’s off the diocesan website. Pat Buckley is GF no longer a priest and therefore no longer to be mentioned on this blog?
Pat GF has been a bould child but getting put in the same sentence as Jerry Carey is atrocious and I wouldnt wish it any anyone
He is mentioned now 😀
I have no update. Maybe Killaloe priest might enlighten us?
Request Bishop Fintan Monahan to release a formal public statement as a gesture of goodwill to Fr Ger Fitzgerald and Fr Carey.
That is the normal protocol regarding personnel in the “real world”. The lies and coverup that emenate from Killaloe would suggest it’s some kind of Walter Mitty zone in West of Ireland La La Land.
Transparency will benefit Fr Fitzgerald, Fr Carey and Killaloe Diocese.
Without a formal statement from the Bishop of Killaloe, it is reasonable to conclude that neither Fr Carey nor Fr Fitzgerald have been laicised.
All this ducking and diving, why all the secrecy?
They either remain in situ
Or they are gone
Priests are public figures until the RCC confirms they are no longer members and so their whereabouts remain a matter of exceptional public interest.
The anonymous advocate of transparency, at 3:33pm.🤣🤔😂
Good evening Fintan!
Leo in Ireland, Little Rishi in the UK, and now Hamza in Scotland, not to mention Cruella at the Home Office and James UnClevelly at the Foreign Office. All we need now is someone of brown skin (I think you can say that ?!) as leader of the DUP. Wonders never cease ! The PC reaction to all of this is to celebrate the diversity. Lots will be looking at it as a sign of what is happening in these islands and the way things will go. It will be all about birthrate, just as the Catholics have out-birthed the Protestant in NI. In the UK, it will be about brown people having lots more babies over a couple of decades, and the growth will be exponential. The future is brown and tinted ! Get used to it ! Mind you, I do like a dual heritage black / white man. All the attributes of the black and the toned down features of the white. Lovely 1
In a couple of decades we will be a predominantly Muslim society.
In the RoI it will be within the next 10 years. All the young native Irish are leaving and are being replaced in huge number.
Two of my daughters and my niece are going to teach in Dubai in September, the conditions in Irish schools are getting worse year after year and they cannot afford to get on the property ladder here.
7:31 is unable to think that anyone else doesn’t think like Roman Catholics.
Before objectifying POC towards the end of his/her/xeir comment.
But tell us more about your moral compass. 😂
A lesson in this for Eamon Martin, maybe?
Thought that I ought to have a look on Hauschild since saw lot comments on it.
What I didn’t expect was this photo, just kidding if you what I mean.
If any of the allegations made against this degenerate character are true it’s not a sabbatical he should be on but dismissal with immediate effect. That’s the only update we need to hear.
John Paul Lyttle spent some time with the Franciscans in Donegal and Africa.
Any chance of a blog on each dioceses MIAs Bishop Pat?
Fr John Paul Lyttle spent a year with the Montfort Missionaries in Southampton.
Alarm bells should have been ringing in bishop’s house after his fall. He displayed an immaturity and lack of prudence as a 28 year old seminarian in inviting three strangers he met in a pub back to the presbytery in which he was staying with his extremely close friend Fr Ray Lyons. That was how Fr Ray described himself in newspaper reports after the fall.
All very strange.
…and from which pub did JPL invite his three friends, all male ?…. no doubt one of the many gay pubs in that areas….otherwise, why would he have invited them back…. ?
Unlike the desecration of the church in Cloyne, where Bishop Crean did sweet FA, his counterpart in the US has burned the altar, will consecrate a new one and he announced that the priest is permanently removed from ministry.
Priesthood and religious life is a sexual free for all! In the lead are the secular clergy and the Dominicans and the Redemptorists.
Bishops take restless candidates who go from Order to Order, Diocese to Diocese. It rarely ends well.
Like cornered rats with nowhere to go.
I do have some sympathy, but it’s tempered with knowledge of how many of you just kept your head down, didn’t challenge, didn’t get out, and now suffer the consequences. A working life can be tough schitt outside of clerical privilege
9.48: Your anti clerical rant aside, mainly lies, may I ask what you and your kinfolk of recent decades do about known institutional gulags for women, approved by the state? NADA. Like thousands of others, you all knew but chose to walk by and express a muted pity. The moral hypocrisy of you folk. Blind liars and always looking at life through narrow, bigoted lens. And would still be silent only for fantastic, thorough investigative journalism.
Priests and their types continually proclaim themselves as good, despite all the evidence being against them.
An apple falls near the tree, and you guys are the predictable product of the rotten institution you serve.
There are a number of sexually active Dominicans in Ireland.
One of them met a young man in the Munster area a few times and masturbated him.
I have the names of three or four of them.
Oh, go on, give us their names. You know you want to….
Are their public personas showing them as lovers of orthodoxy and keen to root out any traces of liberalism?
Paedophiles should be in entirely separate prisons, or in compounds within a prison.
There have been some experiments in the US of putting paedophiles in separate communities together away from children. They’ve had some good success because the paedos exert peer pressure on each other. There isn’t really anything that works with them though.
For clerical abusers I think the church should be forced to house them. They can always manage to find an executive detached house for a wayward bishop who hasn’t gone to prison. If, say, empty rooms at Collegeville, caused by the precipitate decline in vocations, were used they would hardly notice. In fact the guest paedos wouldn’t be in much different position from the monk paedos!
An electric fence would stop them escaping.
Tragically, some clerics have knowingly and grievously betrayed the people they falsely proclaimed to serve.
@9:56: SOME CLERICS!
Look at the figures. MANY is more accurate.
Are YOU a cleric,an apologising cathbot,
or just not very clued-up?
Any SERIAL sex offender (be it with a minor or adult) should never be allowed out of prison. Nobody is safe. It is all very well saying that when they are old age pensioners they should be allowed out. NEVER, if they have served a sentence, what do they know about modern life with ever changing technology and attitudes. I am reminded of the London black cab driver who was a serial predator. They should never be allowed out.
Church & State have to respond more responsibly so that no further abuse or crimes are committed.
Rapists who are freed send shockwaves of anger and anxiety to the victims.
Victims feel abused again when perpetrators are freed.
I know I would be very angry but I’m not sure what the right response should be.
I certainly would not want to be physically close in any way to my abuser after their release from prison.
Those who cover for monsters.
They should all pay the same price as the abusers they cover for. Period!
A major dumping place for troublesome priests was ‘the missions’ and that is where the scandal will shift next, along with dismay at how American dioceses have declared bankruptcy to save their assets.
Could that be the reason the Vatican has investments in several countries, so that if the law requires them to hand them over in one place they are safe elsewhere?
That is exactly why their investments are spread internationally.
Dumping abusers to where they have no education, poorer parishes or working class areas.
They probably knew that poor have no voices to speak out or defend themselves just like those with various disabilities, so they got away with abusing them and if they died, went out quietly and buried them without any fanfare in remote locations
What a load of nonsense
Cecilia Payne made an incredible contribution to her field.
Thank you +Pat for sharing her story, it certainly deserves maximum exposure on so many levels.
Crowley, are you serious!
Wouldn’t believe a word that comes out of that guys mouth, yet another cover up wizard!