
PAT SAYS
This is a long but very important letter.
Please read it fully.
Open Letter to An Taoiseach by Laura Murphy,
Daughter of Mother & Baby Home Survivor
An Taoiseach
Mr. Leo Varadkar, T.D.
Government Buildings
Merrion St. Upper
Dublin 2
21st March 2023
Re: Mother and Baby Homes Redress

Dear Taoiseach,
I am the daughter of a Mother and Baby Home survivor. I wrote an open letter to your predecessor, Micheál Martin, on 1st February 2021 calling for a retraction of the part of the State apology that blamed society for the atrocities, for survivors to be given justice and for Brigid’s Day to become a national holiday as a commitment to healing and equality.
The letter was covered across national media and the proposals put forward received widespread support across communities in Ireland and internationally. I was invited to read the letter publicly at the Abbey Theatre’s critically acclaimed ‘HOME: Part One’, a historic production that gave voice to survivors at a time when their stories were being suppressed by the government’s Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes (COI).
Today, I write this open letter concerning the exclusion of 24,000 survivors from the Mother and Baby Homes Redress Scheme. I speak for many survivors and for the people of Ireland who understand that the days of brushing trauma, mass abuse and genocide under the carpet are over.
The purpose of the final report of the Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes (2021) was to present an accurate account of how these institutions were run and what happened to the people in their care. However in a serious miscarriage of justice, the report misrepresented survivor’s statements, presented incorrect facts and omitted many examples of human rights violations that should have been investigated. Most pertinently, the report failed to recognise survivor’s testimony as legal evidence of abuse.
As a result, the ultimate finding of the COI was that there was “no evidence of systematic abuse”. This finding also claimed that it was society, families and fathers of the incarcerated women and children who were primarily responsible for what happened.
The UN Committee for Human Rights and the Irish Council for Civil Liberties review of the report, including the verbatim testimony of survivors (which the COI tried to illegally destroy), found that there were significant breaches of constitutional and human rights including “abuse that could be considered torture, enforced disappearances and modern slavery”.
Furthermore, an alternative report written by 25 academic and legal experts using the same evidence as the COI found that “mass abuses” were perpetrated by these State- sponsored, Catholic Church-run institutions.
The consequence of this false finding of “no evidence of systematic abuse” by the COI was a legal loophole whereby the Catholic Church cannot be held morally, ethically, legally or financially accountable for the crimes against humanity that were perpetrated by their representatives and institutions.
The people of Ireland who have collectively suffered because of this regime, are now being forced to pay full reparations for abuses and crimes committed by the Catholic Church in this State-sponsored multi-generational system of abuse.
Considering the irrefutable evidence of the abuses committed by the Catholic Church and the profits made from human trafficking, forced unpaid labour, illegal adoptions, illegal vaccine trials and stipends from the State for every ‘offender’ (mother) and ‘illegitimate’ (child) in their ‘care’, it is outrageous that they are absolved of their responsibility to give back what they took from the Irish people.
Instead, the full burden of responsibility is being placed on the Irish taxpayer for harm that was perpetrated by Church and State. As a result, 40% of survivors are being retraumatised and excluded from the very scheme that was set up to ensure “Survivor-led Restorative Recognition and Reparation”.
Your claim that the €800 million for redress is money that ‘could otherwise be spent meeting the needs of today or trying to build a better future’, demonstrates a lack of understanding of the impact of unresolved past trauma on people’s lives today and into the future.
Bessel van der Kolk, M.D. defines trauma as
“not the story of something that happened back then, but the current imprint of that pain, horror, and fear living inside (the individual).”
Recent scientific advances in the fields of epigenetics and neuroscience tell us that unresolved trauma has lifelong and multi-generational impact – psychologically, biologically and sociologically.
In the words of Gabor Maté, M.D.
“The chain of transmission goes from parent to child, stretching from the past into the future”.
The two groups of survivors you plan on excluding from reparations are those who were separated from their mothers before 6 months of age and those who were ‘boarded out’ to families. You offer no defined criteria for this exclusion other than perpetuating a disturbing false narrative that early mother-child separation causes no harm.
The assertion by Minister O’Gorman that survivors who were separated from their mothers before 6 months of age should not receive redress because they “will not remember their experiences” is not only a blatant dismissal of survivor’s testimony and lived experiences, it is a denial of science.
‘Loss of the Mother-Child Relationship’ was cited by the government-
ommissioned Oak Report as the primary harm experienced by Mother and Baby Home survivors. According to the report this loss “has led to lifelong trauma and mental health issues for many, both mothers and their children and to difficulties forming lasting relationships accompanied by negative consequences for survivors.”
There is no ambiguity about who should be included in the redress scheme. The Oak Report states, “all mothers and children who experienced coercive family separation should be included regardless of the setting.”
Countless survivors have spoken to me about the ‘primal wound’ of being separated from their mother and the entrenched lifelong pain that comes from this. They describe feelings of ‘not belonging’, ‘low self-worth’, ‘acute shame’, ‘inferiority’, ‘fear of abandonment’ and the ‘inability to love and be loved’ infiltrating their lives.
The trauma that endures as a direct result of early mother-child separation is not only an accepted emotional and psychological phenomenon but also an empirically measurable biological fact, as one of the most cited epigenetic studies demonstrates.
Dr. Moshe Szyfe, in a study on Maternal Programming (2005) found that the quality of early maternal care, specifically the nurturing contact from mothers has a causal impact on the offspring’s biochemical capacity to respond to stress in a healthy way for the rest of their lives. In turn, the offspring passed on to their own infants the type of mothering they had received. Strikingly, the study also found that the quality of maternal care affects oestrogen in daughters with ramifications for mothering patterns down through the generations.
I am the daughter of a Mother and Baby Home survivor. I was not born in a Mother and Baby Home, nor was I separated from my mother at birth. Yet, the psychological, physical and emotional impact of her traumatic experiences have been severe and long lasting for both of us.
My mother has had the heart-breaking experiences of losing a child through adoption and through death. For her, adoption was a more difficult cross to bear.
In her words;
“It is difficult to comprehend the heartbreak that ensues when a girl gives up her baby to another. That heartbreak never eases. I have experienced the loss of a baby through death and through adoption. I can state clearly that it was somewhat easier for me to accept and carry the loss of David, because in death, a parent has some idea of where their Little One is. Even with a little faith, they can hope their baby is safe, happy and looked after. But, with adoption a parent worries their baby may be unhappy, unsafe, uncared for and most importantly unloved. I spent most of my life dipping in and out of these fears.”
Like many survivors, my mother’s experience also resulted in her carrying a deep sense of debilitating guilt and shame for most of her life.
In her words;
“Until recently, I always walked behind people. I realised I did this because I did not feel worthy enough to walk beside them. I carried a deep sense of shame that I could not name but that weighed me down for most of my life.”
As well as the negative psychological and biological impacts of early mother-child separation on mother, child and subsequent generations, there are now many studies connecting trauma with ill-health, particularly inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. Multiple Sclerosis in particular is a condition for which the influence of stress, adversity and trauma has been extensively studied. In 2009, my mother was diagnosed with MS. She became paralyzed for a time and developed debilitating Chronic Fatigue. In 2015, I was diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and in 2020, with Chronic Lyme Disease. I was bed-ridden for one year and unable to work for three years.
My personal experience and that of my mother’s is testament to the impact of past trauma on the lives of many survivors and their families today. The messages I received from hundreds of first- and second-generation survivors in response to my previous letter affirmed that there are many people in Ireland who share similar experiences.
Again, your statement that the budget for redress ‘could otherwise be spent meeting the needs of today or trying to build a better future’ belies the irrefutable truth that past trauma is causing huge suffering in our society today. Until it is appropriately addressed, it will continue to be perpetuated through future generations.
The collective trauma from the Mother and Baby Homes system cannot be resolved until all past harms are accepted and addressed. The proposed redress scheme is both a denial and a perpetuation of past harms. The two specific groups of survivors your government plans on excluding have not only been significantly harmed, they have experienced and are continuing to experience significant violations of their human and constitutional rights.
Children who were in a home for less than six months before 1982 were legally classed as ‘illegitimate’, resulting in breaches of rights including loss of parental protection, family separation, loss of identity and loss of medical history. These children were not ‘cherished equally’ as the Proclamation of Independence promised, but were discriminated against, stigmatised and shamed. Children born after 1982 experienced the societal legacy of their so-called ‘illegitimacy’. Many children were also subjected to illegal pharmaceutical trials, illegal adoptions, violence, abuse, and neglect.
Children who were ‘boarded out’ experienced some of the worst abuses and breaches of their human rights including forced unpaid labour, psychological, physical, and sexual abuse, neglect, inhuman and degrading treatment and torture. The government failed to include these survivors in the State apology and is again excluding them from reparation.
It is unthinkable, unconstitutional, and cruelly ironic that the survivors who were denied their most fundamental human rights to parental and State protection then are the ones who are being denied their right to reparation now.
The children who were most vulnerable and most severely harmed by this god-forsaken system are the ones who are being unconscionably failed and harmed by the State again. Your government’s exclusion of these survivors from redress is discriminating,dehumanising and delegitimises (again) the very people you should be minding.
In 2021, Minister O’Gorman rightly said “The State failed, time and time again and for decades, to protect some of its most vulnerable citizens, and failed to uphold some of their most fundamental rights”. This redress scheme is a perpetration of that very failure.
Where there should be reparation, there is re-traumatization. Where there should be accountability, there is abdication. Where there should be justice, there is injustice.
As Taoiseach, you represent the people of Ireland. As a woman who has been impacted by this multigenerational system of Church-State abuse, I speak for many when I say you do not have our mandate to continue this vicious cycle of harm.
1. We call on you to ensure that all Mother and Baby Home survivors receive the ‘Restorative Recognition and Reparation’ that is rightfully theirs. This includes redress for all survivors and a State apology to those who were boarded out. Your support for boarded out survivors was unequivocal in your address to the Dáil as Tánaiste in 2021. You have the opportunity now, as Taoiseach, to deliver where Micheál Martin failed.
In your words;
“The thing that really struck me reading it (the report) was how much that the people who were boarded out suffered. I think this is something that we, the government can’t ignore.”
2. We call on you to stand apart from each one of your predecessors who failed to make the Catholic Church accountable for the crimes against humanity perpetrated on the people of Ireland. Ensure that the Church contributes to redress costs on a 50:50 basis with the State. It is essential for the healing and future of this nation that the Catholic Church is brought into a meaningful process of truth, reconciliation, and redress – not as a matter of charity but by way of reparation for crimes committed.
The modus operandi for the government; one that puts understanding of trauma, compassion, and the wellbeing of its citizens at the heart of everything.
As you informed us, it was a heart-felt poem by then Minister for Children, Katherine Zappone, that convinced the government to provide redress for Mother and Baby Home survivors. Ms. Zappone’s poem activated the humanity of our government, which in turninitiated a process of right action.
I offer this haiku, written in 2021 in the hope that my words will carry the voice of survivors into your heart and into the hearts of every member of the government, so that right understanding, right speech, and right action can be achieved for our people now and into the future.
Going with the flow
Into our dark history
To heal the future
We the people, the poets and the politicians can work together to right the wrongs of the past and to ensure a bright future for generations to come.
What is the highest ideal for Ireland if not to demonstrate to a world in crisis that not only is healing possible after the devastation of invasion, famine, emigration, war, genocide, and poverty, but so too is growth.
In 1896, as our war-weary, traumatised nation moved towards freedom, luminary GeorgeWilliam Russell (AE) wrote in a letter to W.B. Yeats
“Out of Ireland will arise a light to transform many ages and peoples.”
May we have the resilience, courage and resolve to shine the light of post traumatic growth into our world so that instead of leaving a legacy of enduring trauma, we open possibilities for evolutionary love.
It is not too late to turn the whitewashing of trauma into a watershed of healing.
Is mise le meas,
Laura Murphy
PAT SAYS
EVERY MOTHER AND CHILD who suffered above way should receive compensation.
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH should be made to pay their share of this compensation.
If the Church and religious orders refuse to pay then the government should introduce legislation to seize their monies and properties.
200 replies on “Laura Murphy pens open letter to Taoiseach condemning “the exclusion of 24,000 survivors from the Mother and Baby Homes Redress Scheme””
No, wait, this is just exactly like the cult’s bishops like the odious Nichols, saying abuse is a problem in society.
One of the most difficult parts of leaving a cult is realizing where it has inserted its ideas into you.
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Who is at the hub of this abusive problem in society, I wonder.
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9:11 Abusers, obviously. As obviously, the church should be leading society out of the abuse.
Instead of leaving people where you are: unable to work these things out for yourself. 🐑
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9:35
And those facilitating abusers to remain hidden in Church and State, instead of leading society out of abuse, I wonder.
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This section of Laura Murphys letter to Minister Leo Varadkar should seriously resonate with the medically qualified Dr Varadkar.
Bessel van der Kolk, M.D. defines trauma as
“not the story of something that happened back then, but the current imprint of that pain, horror, and fear living inside (the individual).”
Recent scientific advances in the fields of epigenetics and neuroscience tell us that unresolved trauma has lifelong and multi-generational impact – psychologically, biologically and sociologically.
Let’s hope he takes Ms Murphys letter on board and acts on it.
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The Irish Roman Catholic Church can well afford to pay the redress to survivors from all the profiteering it did when the Mother & Baby Homes were still operational. Many Irish taxpayers are now homeless, or in vulnerable circumstances, why should they fund the mistakes of a church and a religion most of them don’t practice or believe in anymore because of the repetitive cover ups of abuse that are ongoing. Church should compensate its victims and survivors without delay as many have died waiting.
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Protestant victims still await justice.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/protestant-survivors-of-mother-and-baby-homes-await-justice-1.4636523
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LOL I love it when the cultists are furious.
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Maybe try clean up your own mess first Francis & Co., or post this on the Church of Ireland Whistleblowers blog!
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The Plantation and its awful effects are historical facts and the Orange Order and others celebrate it. There are streets named after the Plantation all across NI. They don’t consider it an insult.
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How sympathetic.
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10:16 I’m very sympathetic. If you’re attending the rape and abuse church you obviously don’t have the intelligence to leave on your own. That’s why the government should outlaw it
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11:05 Mammy says that she will have your dinner ready at 12:30 so make sure to say a fast mass & don’t forget to pick up the Ice Cream at the supermarket on your way.
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Which rape and abuse church are you referring to? The planter one that invented Magdalen laundries and that persecuted the native Irish?
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10:43 “Planter”?!! You can’t use that kind of language in Ireland in 2023. We have hundreds of thousands of traumatised war refugees from oil and gas rich countries plus Ukraine, Sudan and other places trying to find a roof to put over their heads in Ireland. You can’t use terms such as “planter”, you catlicks are never done upsetting vulnerable people.
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10:51 As I’m a Roman Catholic I’ll use what language I like. Next you’ll be trying to stop our priests getting their little pleasures.
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10:43 The one true rape cult divinely founded. The others don’t give you such protection and also tend to be organized on national lines so can’t get you over the border to safety on a pretense of missionary work.
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11:11am
Protestant victims of ministers who were moved from congregation to congregation take a different view.
https://southernmarylandchronicle.com/2021/04/08/how-protestant-churches-hid-sexual-abuse/
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11.30
What?You had to go all the way to the States to deflect from the kiddy fiddling of priests in Ireland? You have had a frantically busy morning, haven’t you?
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11:11 Ah, yes, the Irish clerical child traffickers and document forgery professionals. No prizes for guessing why these truths never get an airing on the hiking pilgrimages.
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10:43 you conveniently omitted to mention the Irish born Gombeen men who stole from their own starving neighbours and the Irish born workhouse managers and workers who sold the food that the British Government paid for to feed the starving inmates. Trace back the title deeds of many large holdings in Ireland today and many reveal horrendous stories of mans inhumanity toward his fellow man.
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11:05
Mammy he’s making eyes at me..
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4:48 he must be new, he don’t realise yet where he is.
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The Bethany Home in Rathgar had a typically fearsome deathrate. The late Derek Leinster was the long time campaigner and managed to at least get a memorial for them, but as usual the state waited out a man in failing health.
https://www.thejournal.ie/derek-leinster-tributes-5925573-Nov2022/
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10:51
We have thousands of traumatized Irish citizens out of home trying to find a roof to put over their heads in Ireland, some, for years. Why are peoples from majority world outside EU in Ireland? Are you in the planting business Jerry? Who are you to tell Irish citizens what language they can and cannot use in their own Country. Where are you from Snowflake J?
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@ 3:56pm
That lot of gombeens hate the truth and don’t like it pointed out to them.
Always trying to blame others.
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@ 11:30am
Who cares about the prods, let them sort themselves out.
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Thank you Laura for such a well written letter to An Taoiseach, Leo Vradkar. All government ministers and party leaders should study this letter carefully. Likewise, all Bishops should read it and act immediately. Both church and state need to unite for once and do the right, moral and just thing: no further delay in deciding compensation fir every mother and child, every family strewn apart through PTSD, depression, lack of education and opportunity, lack of housing. There’s money when required and all agencies of the stare and church must NOW give just compensation to all concerned. Government ministers speak out of both sides of their mouths on this issue. Church leaders are too slow in acknowledging their moral and Christian responsibilities. Shame on church and state. SHAME.
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What does An Taoiseach mean?
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Prime Minister.
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The Irish word taoiseach means “chief” or “leader”, and was adopted in the 1937 Constitution of Ireland as the title of the “head of the Government or Prime Minister”.
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Pat at 9:28 one of the funniest times ever on this blog was when someone referred to Ireland as Eire and Irish people started howling that this was racist until someone pointed out the constitution calls it Eire.
Still some way to go to get over the dark ages of cathbot dominance.
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Pronounced: TEE SHOCK
Cool guy, enjoys an open air concert when the weather is occasionally decent in the UK and Ireland.
When I next meet him, I’m going to invite him round to organise my fridge.
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10:32 I love Irish pronunciation. The other thing I love is pronouncing Irish words in my head as they would be in French. Strikingly different.
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Silly comment. Don’t know why +Pat entertains such nonsense. Don’t they have Google in the Big Apple!
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@ 12:29pm
It’s always all about money shame on you.
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Pat, and indeed readers, what advice would give to a genuine young man seeking to enter the seminary. I’m convinced that God is calling me to serve as a priest. Please only give genuine and constructive feedback as this is a honest, well-intentioned question. Please no flippant or hurtful remarks.
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1:44
Pray to the Holy Spirit asking for direction every day.
There is no rush. Gods timing is perfect.
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Today is Vocations Sunday, Mass on RTE ONE at 11am, The Celebrant is The Most Rev. Dr. Alphonus Cullinan ,Bishop of Waterford & Lismore.
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10:36 Yahoo!
Da Fonzie on da box 📦
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10:36
Aah, No. Was he wearing a troosers?
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1:44am
you won’t receive any “hurt” from the victims and survivors that have turned to Bishop Pat having been deliberately vilified for speaking the truth of their negative experiences at the hands of Roman Catholic members. If you read carefully in the wider international media , it won’t take you long to find all the information on “hurt” inflicted on bright enthusiastic and sincere young men who entered seminaries full of joy and hope only to be mocked, ridiculed and raped. I know this because my late brother was one of those young men. My family, our friends and those who genuinely care will never let his memory die.
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Sorry to hear about your brother RIP.
What happened him?
🙏
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8:44 will get in touch. found blog recently. Thank you.
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I know of (and am related to) a man who entered a minor seminary perhaps for secondary education (it was free or close to it provided there was a vocation), perhaps to be a priest (he turned odd so no idea really) and suffered at the ends of the rector in some way which isn’t clear, and won’t now as he his mind is gone (or the nursing home drugs a man with dementia to the eyeballs), and any who might know will never tell. Perhaps it was the usual violence, perhaps a worse violation. I visit him in the nursing home when I can.
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You are asking about joining the priest hood on this blog.
Perhaps God is calling you to be a priest in Bishop Pats group. I would suggest that you talk to Pat.
The RCC is going nowhere until they talk about sexuality truthfully. The pope says show compassion to everyone. Let him act out what he preaches and start showing compassion and compensation to all the people that were abused by church people and the cover ups that allowed this to happen.
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1.44: Think you were on before. You’ve come to the wrong place for advice as you’ll be told to get a grip! Why on earth would you leave yourself open to ridicule and judgment? I think your repeat question as before is simply a way to elicit anti priesthood rhetoric!! If you are truly interested in priesthood, by now you should be talking with a vocations director or discerning with others with similar interests, but not on this blog, unless you speak with Pat privately.
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‘discerning with others with similar interests’
You mean getting a Grindr or onlyfans subscription don’t you?
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9:38
LOL
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9:26 Have you had a very close look at the Directors of Formation over the past 15 years or so in Ireland? Maybe you are one of them 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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1:44 Genuine question, why are you convinced? What has convinced you?
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Himself?
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The Holy Spirit?
Himself +The Holy Spirit?
Himself +The Holy Spirit + an experienced priest assisting discernment?
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AN OUTSTANDING LETTER, LAURA.
Sadly; We regret to inform you to expect nothing from Church or State in relation to matters raised or any further matters raised pertaining to abuse trauma or cover-up by Church or State. Frequent readers of Bishop Pat’s blog will be familiar with the adage; ‘Birds of a feather flock together’. The birds are already flocking together to develop a strategic response to your letter. The ‘Wagons are already Circling’, Laura. Best Wishes, Dr. Tess & Dr. Ruth.
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@ 7:00am
The wagons are circling indeed they are Laura,Tess and Ruth and what a bunch of WAGONS they are.🤣🤣🤣
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To those who maintain the fiction that the Republic of Ireland (ROI) is a fully secularised and modern state should reflect carefully on this letter.
The Roman Catholic Church in this state (its institutions and its priests) is still, despite the horror and revulsion at its historical treatment of children and adults, under the protection and service of the ROI Gov.
This church, with its squalid timeline of systemic criminality, corruption, and human abuse, remains an unelected, undemocratic, and largely unaccountable power in a state which, traditionally, has set far greater moral store by it than by internationally recognised human values. I need not enumerate the cost in human lives and welfare wreaked through this alliance, of Church and State. Sadly, the current ROI Gov, under Leo Varadkar, seems willing to allow this duplicity and exploitation to continue.
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7.30am. An inconvenient truth is that far more people in NI ended up in Protestant magdalen laundries than Protestant ones, in an era when Catholics were openly discriminated against and had no power in the NI state.
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/hidden-history-northern-irelands-mother-and-baby-homes-223822
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You’re even reduced to deflecting to a different country now. 😂
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I meant “than Catholic ones”.
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10.25
It’s possible that pregnant unmarried Catholic mothers travelled over the border from NI to give birth in even greater secrecy. So, I’d be careful not to bandy about that, erm, ‘statistic’ of yours.
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Well said, it’s all a load of aul puff and guff with Irish Government Ministers pretending to be critical of the litany of abuse unearthed by brave women such as Catherine Corless. Despite the lip service, the Irish Government is scratching the back of the Irish Catholic Church at every given opportunity. Ditch the lot of them into the Irish Sea and let Europe distribute church assets to victims & survivors before they die.
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It is imperative the Irish Government establish a Commission of Investigation into Irish Psychiatric Hospitals particularly Hospitals
run by RCC with funding from Irish State. Flagrant breaches
of Constitutional and basic Human Rights were/are commonplace.
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Reply to;;Anonymoussays:
Apr 30, 2023 at 7:30 am
Who do you think is is fanning the flames? None other than the Irish themselves.
Until the Roman Catholic church’s influence is taken out of schools, and the responsibility for religious instruction is handed back to parents, the Catholic church will continue to have dominance and, the upper-hand.
It is slowly changing, it will take a generation or, more before Ireland is more secular than religious.
Until the Irish or, any other nationality under the influence of the Roman Catholic church, are not threatened with the fear of damnation, and have overcome that sop, Catholicism will flourish.
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@ 12:47pm
Please God you’re right that Catholicism will flourish, the real one, not the poly version.😀
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9.30
Roman Catholicism is withering on the vine. Such is its fate when nourished by the vile soil of people like you. And, oh!, the joy of seeing it go, like.
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9:30
They are rapidly running out of deflections. Soon there will be no deflections left.
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Mr. O’ Gorman acknowledges, “The State failed, time and time again and for decades, to protect some of its most vulnerable citizens, and failed to uphold some of their most fundamental rights” Yet, Mr. O’ Gorman’s statement that the budget for redress ‘could otherwise be spent meeting the needs of today or trying to build a better future’ belies the irrefutable truth that past trauma is causing huge suffering in our society today. Mr. O Gorman, ‘build a better future’, for who, Mr. O’ Gorman?
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Was it not Leo Varadkar who said that the money could be spent on building a better future for people? Whoever said it seems to begrudge the compensation rightly owed to victims.
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8:41 The Government should with immediate block all charitable status tax reliefs and stop all future funding to the Irish Roman Catholic Church until the Church settles every last outstanding claim due to victims and survivors. In the middle of a cost of living crisis, Irish clergy are driving top of the range cars, living in luxurious spacious accommodation, enjoying free professional services from accountants, lawyers and other influential senior. Civil servants who enable them to access State funding to add commercial value to church property whilst the Church hoards its own wealth and elderly vulnerable victims die in poverty waiting for redress.
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8:41 They’re all singing from the same hymn sheet.
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9:02
Don’t forget the MIAs freebie lifestyles.
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9:02 Nothing seems to have changed since I had to leave Ireland for the steady job I could not get there several decades. The church and the government seem to still be stuck firmly in each other’s pockets to this day. Still treating the public like eejits.
If the Irish government weren’t protecting the church they’d go ahead and hand them over to the criminal assets bureau but they never will because they are all in it together.
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8:41 De Valera advocated the concept of keeping the poor, poor to ensure control & obedience. You can tell he was educated by the Irish clergy.
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Out the Gap with those who protect and finance abusers.
Ditch them.
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You mean Dr O’Gorman?
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the baldy man in health?
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O’Gorman is reflective of the nouveau riche banker type set who came to prominence during the fiddling epidemic of the Irish Celtic Tiger era. It suits Gorman & their agenda that the children of Irish families impacted by their banking corruption are now forced to emigrate as the new Irish will be grateful and compliant for at least one generation & by then O’Gorman and his people will be pushing up the daisies so they don’t give a f***. Just like the Irish clergy, it’ll do for their day.
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EVERY Diocese and Religious Order on the island of Ireland needs to be investigated.
Safeguarding MUST be completely independent of the RCC.
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Woodlands was busy last night.
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9:03 You’ve piqued my curiosity….
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Weather is finally improving.
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10:24
What for Fido?
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Every religious denomination on the island of Ireland needs to be investigated.
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/hidden-history-northern-irelands-mother-and-baby-homes-223822
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@ 8:15am
You’re so boring you MUST change the record and STFU!
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Who will speak up for the Protestant victims?
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/irish-protestant-mother-baby-homes-saw-neglecthigh-mortalities
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RCs trying to divert attention from themselves.
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Nobody cares about them. No anger on their behalf. They are like the children of many places such as Kincora, the Bethany Homes, the Ulster Penitentiary and Manor House in Lisburn: forgotten and airbrushed out because, inconveniently, the Catholic Church cannot be blamed.
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Your daily reminder that RCs, like any other criminal organization, see no reason they should be punished unless everyone else is. If not facing justice they’re happy to ignore everyone else’s crimes.
This is the informed conscience they talk about.
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Ah but if the RCC normalised it and the others were only descending to the same level by copying “the done thing”, then it is to blame anyway.
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@ 8:37am
They would love to blame The Church but inconveniently they can’t. That lot need to look in before they look out.
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8:26am British Government opposition parties. Get your biro out quick.
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Varadkar, if he doesn’t change course, is going to deepen the animosity that already exists between the Irish people and the Catholic Church in Ireland. And this animosity is currently red-hot.
Varadkar is doing neither himself nor the Catholic Church any favours by maintaining current policy on this issue. If the Church is breathing a collective sigh of relief at apparently being let off a historical hook of financial accountability for its atrocious treatment of vulnerable human beings, it will, somewhere in the future, only impale itself on an even bigger hook of growing public anger and deepening disaffection.
The Catholic Church in Ireland is slowly being written out of history to become only a reviled footnote, and it, along with Varadkar, is ironically holding the pen.
It is risible to claim (as do some who post here regularly), that a thing as notional and abstract as ‘society’ was primarily responsible for the historical abuses of children and adults in Ireland when, if the truth be told, it was the churches themselves, (principally the Catholic Church), since the clergy of these institutions set the moral tone (and appetite for judgement of others) for worshippers in the pews.
If Varadkar is too self-serving to change course, then the campaign to hold accountable and liable the Catholic Church for the abuse of vulnerable people in homes under its watch must continue.
It is sad but true that the Catholic Church rarely responds to the call of conscience, but almost always and only to the demands of consistent and sustained public pressure.
The Catholic Church requires public shaming in order to change its behaviour, and to make itself accountable and liable for past and gross human injustices whose effects are still being suffered today. These are the true sins of the fathers, and they are truly being visited on succeeding generations. The guilty must pay. And only the guilty.
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8:29
Excellent post.
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Dr Varadkar might not be everyone’s cup of tea but he most certainly is not a paedophile protector. The Roman Catholic Church in Ireland has earned and deserves every bit of the distrust it now elicits from the majority of the Irish population. The new Irish practice their own beliefs as is their right and we will see the growth of mosques and other places of Faith grow in the coming decades. I always admired the African religions who find cheap humble disused shop units or large spaces in industrial estates to gather and practice their faith. My family was invited to such a place by a new neighbour and our children so enjoyed the music, singing and happy atmosphere that we now attend every month and sometimes more frequently as time allows. It certainly is preferable to the puffed up nonsense and duplicity that permeates from the Roman Catholic offering available locally.
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9:14
Dream on luv.
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The Islamic Republic of Ireland will be wonderful, simply marvellous.
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8:52: What faith background does Mr. Varadkar belong to?
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Reply to; Anonymous Familysays:
Apr 30, 2023 at 8:52 am
I hate to burst your bubble, but, according to the Vatican 2021, Africa has 256 million Roman Catholics, representing 18% of the continent’s population.
That is 5.2 million more than in 2020.
31 Jan 2023
Statistically, Africa the fastest-growing continent when it comes to Catholicism?
Roman Catholic priests are increasing, and, it is bagging an enormous amount of seminarians, maybe not always for the right reasons, apparently becoming a Roman Catholic priest in that society is regarded as a badge of success.
Africans are alleged to be homophobic, why wouldn’t young homosexual men want to join their cohorts, as many have done over the centuries, the Catholic priesthood is acceptable, problem solved, homosexuality a no-no, problem gained.
1)Is Africa the future of Catholicism (and will the next Pope be …
Le Monde, Sunday, April 30, 2023 2:26 pm (Paris)
2)African sexuality and the legacy of imported homophobia.1 Oct 2020
Stonewall https://www.stonewall.org.uk › about-us › news › afri…
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8.29am. Such purple prose from the old soak.
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8:29 Get a grip. This is IRELAND, where the GUILTY laugh all the way to the bank courtesy of the authorities.
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Wasn’t Varadkar along with contrary Mary at MMA chatting with blog star Dom Dick before Bishop Buckley broke the Boiler House story? Why MMA?
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8.29
And your motivation is rage from having your seminary odyssey aborted. That’s not a healthy option to take. Consider the miles of print and nd littes of bile you’ve created here over the past three or four years, including when you used a pseudonym. It has had no therapeutic effect on you and if anything, you are even more unhinged than you were.
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4.04, rage as motivation?
I read and re-read the post at 8.29, after reading your accusation. I tried but couldn’t find anything even remotely expressive of rage. On the contrary, I found the post temperate and measured, not to mention well argued. Perhaps it was you who felt rage at these qualities, and then projected it onto the poster at 8.29. It’s an easy mistake to make … when a person is blinded by his own, unacknowledged rage. About what? Well, the unpalatable truth about the historical nature of the ‘one true church’.
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9.40: Was Catholic…don’t know if he still retains it…
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He was a CINO, now automatically excommunicated for procuring abortion.
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I doubt it, especially given the Church’s moral denunciation of his gay marriage.
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10.12
Fake news. You’ e got the wrong idea. Pope Francis is on record as promoting civil partnerships because of the security they offer for gay prople.
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4.08
I said ‘gay marriage’, not ‘civil partnerships’. Despite what was going on in your head when you read my comment (poorly, as it turned out), the two are not the same. No, really they aren’t.
Incidentally, Pope Francis, as Archbishop of Buenos Aires, did not support civil partnerships in Argentina for the reason you stated: he did so to pre-empt calls for gay marriage. Thankfully, he was unsuccessful, as in much else. To Francis, civil partnership was preferable to the violation of his sexual-binary concept of marriage.
You said something about fake news?
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5.10
1. That was then. This is now. He supports civil partnerships.
2. Things don’t have to be identical to be equal. That’s why same/sex civil partnerships are no longer available in ireland since the referendum.
3. Your inability to provide an objective comment is the result of obsessive subjectivism.
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7.38
You’re a laugh; you really are. ‘That was then this is now’? You people never give up trying to parry inconvenient truths. Some here call it ‘deflection’.
Yes, Pope Francis supports civil partnerships, because he still prefers these to gay marriages, just as he did in Argentina. The other stuff is just a smokescreen for his main reason: he wants to preserve the binary nature of marriage (where it still exists, of course) for sexually binary couples. Is this whizzing over your head? Francis would rather gays took his, apparently moral lead and plumped for civil partnerships instead, believing that Francis (and, therefore, God) was morally legitimising acts condemned by both the Bible and the Catechism. You still don’t understand? Never mind: you’re not the oily Machiavellian Francis is.
Things don’t have to be identical to be equal? Sounds as though you’ve been at the fortune cookies again. No; civil partnership was not identical to gay marriage, legally speaking, nor was it its equal, legally speaking. Which …duh! … is why it is no longer available in Ireland. You kinda shot yourself in the foot there with that silly, facile point.
And your inability to provide anything other than a puerile comment is the result of your not being literate-enough and intelligent-enough to work with facts.
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Well paying compensation (as you would without being forced, if you had any morals) should have the agreeable effect of closing even more of your churches so you wouldn’t have to heat them then.
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The Roman Catholic Church and religious orders, as well as other Churches in Ireland north and south, oversaw, managed and delivered what happened in these places. The various Governments farmed out their social issues / difficulties to these Churches, sub-let really. So, it stands to reason that at least both these organisations / institutions / governments / churches should bear the moral and legal responsibility for what occurred. I think it has been established beyond fact that terrible things happened in the Magdalene laundries / mother and baby homes / orphanages / industrial schools / whatever, and even though some people would argue that what happened fitted with the mores and attitudes of the time, that fact is that we now know better and can see what happened as egregious. I note that on slavery, pretty much every institution, including the Church of England, recognises that they now have some responsibility for what happened even though it was seen as okay at the time. So, recompense for anybody, yes anybody, who was impacted negatively by their experiences in these places should be forthcoming from both the government and church. That includes diocese and religious orders. I simply don’t see any problem in coming to that conclusion, unless of course these governments and churches are trying to slough off their responsibility. Which is probably what is happening. So, people should hold them to account and shame them in to accepting their responsibilities and shoulder whatever burden is required in recompense. They will only learn for the future if it costs them money ! Or prison ! We already know that. Fine words mean nothing.
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The Irish Roman Catholic Church chose to take the Governments money & ruthlessly schemed to make double and treble income for church by starving and exploiting the girls and orphans some impregnated by clerics, their relatives & friends & executing human rights abuses including sexual and physical abuse, forging identification and travel documents and creating and falsifying correspondence for ongoing financial gain and continue to exercise coercive control over the few remaining elderly survivors seeking redress and their children by continuing to withhold information through their TUSLA & HSE (Irish so called child protection service & Irish Public Health Service) to which these unfortunate victims remain legally entitled and are constantly fobbed off and obstructed and where records have been deliberately destroyed etc. Today deviants bishops, clerics and their members are busy destroying any remaining evidence and raiding archives to facilitate their great escapes with as much loot as possible from the big property sell offs they have instigated around Ireland and elsewhere.
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Oh, dear! Another one who moralises that we should straddle the imaginary divide of Church and State, holding each co-responsible and co-reliable.
There is a reason the word ‘Church’ appears first in that phrase: the Church bore far greater responsibility than the State when, historically, our old friend, ‘Society’, went belly-up. State was only ever a compliant, and heavy arm for Church; if you like, State was the Neanderthal muscle, but Church was the evil brain directing it. Therefore Church bears greater moral culpability for all the stuff that happened, should not have happened, and would not have happened had Church not been born under Constantine.
Make the Church pay, not the State.
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9.56
Your analysis accords with the evidence. It’s very instructive to read the deliberations of Galway County Council during the 1940s and 1950s in relations to its oversight of Tuam Mother & Baby home. The councillors were determined the residents would pay their way.
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Absolutely howling at the rape cult member trolling the blog and just making their lack of compassion even clearer. 😁
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Absolutely howling or absolutely boozing?
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Pat, did Laura Murphy send this letter only to you? Or did you get it from another blog or publication?
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It was sent to me.
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I would be more convinced of the RC cult’s ability to give moral leadership to anyone if their first instinct when their own atrocities are pointed out, wasn’t to point at everyone else.
Moral compass, my arse.
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Are you English? Your lot have caused more than enough pain in Ireland and round the world.
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11:07 No.
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11:07 Funny, your lot don’t like the idea of guilt by association when it’s applied to priests by association with kiddy fiddlers.
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No English in the Boiler Room?! Or do you bother to check, Fr!
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11.07
Funny that the Irish always forget, in the white heat of anglophobic bigotry and finger-pointing, that it was the Irish themselves who invited, in the first place, the Anglo-Norman warrior class into Ireland, precisely because they were a warrior class and wanted their help, with superior military technology, to knock seven shades out of their tribal rivals. And to the victor the spoils, I suppose, including for Chief Macmurrough the opportunity for people-trafficking their enemies for domestic and foreign slavery. (BTW, it’s how the Irish brought into Ireland the malevolent influence of Roman Catholicism: they just wouldn’t stop raiding the GB coastline for slaves ‘n’ plunder. And then one fateful day, they seized the wrong bloke, Patricius, for people-trafficking in the Aul Sod and… crrrrikey!… subsequently made a Romanly pious man of him by treating him in very ungentlemanly ways indeed. Which set him, like a guided missile, on a path to Romanist priesthood, with an itch to get even with his former slave masters.)
The Irish never could understand that there was no such thing as a free lunch (and why they keep blaming others for their own historical misfortune). 🙄 ‘Mature’ isn’t the word for it.
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3.15
Your skirmishes into an area you know nothing about, Irish and British history, just like those into theology, all show a debilitating and uncritical reliance on Google. The truth is the circumstances of the twelfth century expansion of Normans into Ireland was replicated extensively before that time and since.
One of your stumbling blocks is a chronic inability and/or unwillingness to situate phenomena in their cultural (including historical and theological) context.
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11.54
It’s been pointed out already that one of the indicators you have run out of argument is when scraping the bottom of the barrell you throw up the crime of CSA. What that also shows is you cate nothing for genuine victims by weaponising their miseries for personal insatiable gratification.
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7.01
I shouldn’t laugh at such a bumptious, historically illiterate post, but, I confess, my weakness for laughing at the pretensions of others is a strength beyond my control.😅 A paradox, like.
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He gets his theology from Wikipedia and the ‘Collected Sermons of Ian R K Paisley’, his history is from Google and his philosophy comes from the Big Book.
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9.30
You could be right though it’s more likely he gets his history from Paisley and his theology from Google.
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10.33
That says more about you than about those who seek to contextualise social phenomena. Ontextualisatio. is the only way to achieve understanding. It’s a scientific method. It doesn’t suit you because it doesn’t form part of the story you tell yourself.
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4:12 Take responsibility for RCC input following contextualization rather than further story-making.
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Who will speak up for Killaloe victims of now MIAs?
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Why don’t you so it yourself if you have the balls?
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Representatives and members of Irish Diocese on this blog stand out for the adept nature of psycho-social abuse that they continually vent on persons whom they deliberately stalk and villify and have deliberately selected and subjected to various levels of antisocial, abusive and criminal conduct.
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11:13 Obviously Killaloe victims of MIAs don’t matter a toss to you.
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They are not MIA, they are working.
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What are they doing?
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There needs to be clarity on the roles that Gerry Carey and Ger Fitzgerald have
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We are not accountable to your types, run along now, nothing to see here and nothing to get either.
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Pat you’re a gas man on this blog. I see GF’s name mentioned here again and just wonderin’ is there any oul update for us on his alleged third victim? Have you any bit of news to report to us there?
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4:04
What types are you accountable to?
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Thankfully, some people are paying attention to Protestant abuse.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/06/03/feature/the-crusading-bloggers-exposing-sexual-assault-in-protestant-churches/
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Mostly Roman Catholics. 🤣
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11:32 The introduction to Bishop Pat Buckley’s blog clearly confirms that it deals with Roman Catholic Church related abuse, corruption and criminality. There are hundreds of publications, media pages and organisations dealing with issues in other denominations where you can receive support with your issues on abuse, corruption and criminality that you or your family/friends may have personally suffered at the hands of another religion. Perhaps after you have written to the leaders of the church in question, you might be kind enough to let us have a copy of their written response and details of what steps they took to close your issue to your complete satisfaction making you happy that justice had been served.
We wish you well in resolving your issue with the objects of your NON Roman Catholic Church related complaint.
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11.32
Please comment twice as much as you normally would and do not be silenced by this pseudonym.
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Calvinists’ teachings are a carbon copy of the vatican’s hence the latter is to blame also when the prods go wrong because double the amount of churches are pushing evil.
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@12:13 “Stephen Lee”. Is it not up to the esteemed owner of the blog to decide what is and is not published here? Why do you wish to censor reports of abuse by non-Catholics?
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11:32 Great.
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Catholic Church’s 7-Step “Playbook” for Concealing Truth About Priests Raping Children
This “Playbook” was first exposed by the F.B.I.’s National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime as reported in the Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report (2018). It is now common knowledge that Catholic Church hierarchies have been protecting and enabling predatory priests for decades, if not centuries. Clear evidence now exists that it is happening today in New Zealand.
The seven steps in the “playbook” are:
1) Use euphemisms like “boundary issues” instead of “rape.”
2) Use fellow clergy to conduct investigations.
3) Send problem priests to church-run treatment centres.
4) Decline to say why abusive priests were removed.
5) Provide housing and living expenses for predator clergy.
6) Transfer problem priests to new dioceses.
7) Avoid reporting the priests to the police.
See page 3 of the following:
https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/A-Report-of-the-Fortieth-Statewide-Investigating-Grand-Jury_Cleland-Redactions-8-12-08_Redacted.pdf
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The Roman Catholic Church seems to have a Bible for covering up everything,
Missing money
Missing property
Missing children and adults
Missing priests who had relationships in parishes or abused kids or vulnerable
Apart from those who along with their families and associates benefit financially from this horrible cult, no one else would miss the RC if it was disbanded, it’s assets liquidated and victims compensated.
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Your daily reminder that the RC church is identified with child abuse in the popular imagination yet for some reason think pointing at the Protestants is a rational thing to do in that situation.
How stupid and psychopathic would you have to be?
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Pointing out that abuse is endemic, widespread in Protestant communities and by no means confined to the Catholic Church, is an attempt to correct the faulty popular imagination. Allowing people to think that it is mainly or even exclusively a Catholic problem allows abuse elsewhere to go unreported and unchallenged, and allows abusers in those settings to carry on, safe from scrutiny.
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Exactly. Well said.
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I was married to a pastor for 30 years. We had different views at the beginning but I had to conform to his. After about 15 years I started to change some of my views. It caused major strife. Towards the end the elders and their wives came to talk to me. I got up to leave them and him but was too weak from having a baby (he forced that pregnancy against doctors orders).
Eventually it was too much and I left. After I left I lost all my “friends” and had the freedom to really question everything.
Trying to parent with him was hard. I was teaching them to be accepting of everyone because that’s what Jesus taught. He was teaching them to view anyone different as going to hell unless they got saved. That’s just one example. Coparenting after divorce has been just as difficult but at least I’m free. Our little kids will decide. Our grown daughter follows totally different paths and I support her wholeheartedly. She and her dad do not speak.
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You’re well rid of that control-freak.
A small mercy, mind: be grateful you weren’t a Roman Catholic in a medieval Romanist world, because they’d have tortured you for such free-spirited thinking.
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Laura Murphy open letter to Irish Government has once again reminded the public that the Irish Church & State continue to proactively insist on ongoing secrecy around the institutional abuse which happened in Ireland and its gravely concerning that this seems to be stronger than ever in 2023.
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Jesus entered Ireland and was passing through. 2 A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus; he was a cathbot and valued the church over all things. 3 He wanted to see who Jesus was, in case even Jesus was going to bring another lawsuit against the church. 4 So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way.
5 When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him, “Zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today.” 6 So he told him to go and stay at someone else’s house because they were sinners too, and besides Benediction was at 6 o’clock.
7 All the cathbots saw this and began to mutter, “He has only singled out us and that is so unfair.”
8 But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if you will also draw attention to the Church of Ireland, I will pay back four times the amount (but only if the church’s insurance and lawyers agree, terms and conditions apply).”
9 Jesus said to him, “Today the cathbot idea of repentance has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Ireland. 10 For the Son of Man came to help you make out you’re being persecuted and try to get away with crime.”
This is the cathbot gospel of the Lord.
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😁😁😁😁😁
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“The assertion by Minister O’ Gorman that survivors who were separated from their mothers before 6 months of age should not receive redress because they “will not remember their experiences” is not only a blatant dismissal of survivor’s testimony and lived experiences, it is a denial of science”. In fact it is utter nonsense. Were Minister O Gorman’s or his advisers not aware of pioneering work of Donald Winnoicott, John Bowlby, Melaine Klein, Anna Freud, Leila Rendel, or Dublin born, Barbara Estelle Gordon (Dockar Drysdale), Josephine Klein, Jean Piaget, Erik Erikson…in relation to childrens psychology, psycho emotional and psycho-social development,… etc. Maybe advisors need to check researchgate for more information.
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Not the same without Power bottom et al! Hurry on back.
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+ Pat, when are you going to pen open letter to His Holiness Pope Francis…?
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So the Republic of Ireland State CONTINUES to collude with the dirty institutional Romanist Church, to protect it, and to propagandise implicitlt about its innate goodness.
Thank F**k I live in the ‘Black North’.
Just watch Sinn Fein do absolutely nothing to help survivors.
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Is this abusive alkie spoiled priest not banned? He ruined the blog in the past and drove many good people away from it. Please don’t let him ruin it again, Pat.
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6.23
Yes. Here. Here.
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6:23 Sir, do you not realize you are being abusive ? Do you lack self insight, Sir.
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“Spoiled priest” is the traditional name given in Ireland to an ex-seminarian. Why, there’s even a novel with that title.
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Where do you get the idea that he is an abusive alkie spoiled priest? He was an alleged kicked out seminarian.
You are totally correct about ruining the blog in the past and driving good people away.
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6:26
Here Here or Hear Hear?!
Hear Hear, What?
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7:40
Sir,have you any idea the number of allegedly kicked out seminarians are in the country, north and south?
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‘A Spoiled Priest’
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?isbn=&an=sheehan&tn=spoiled%20priest%20stories&n=100121503&cm_sp=mbc-_-ats-_-used
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8:42
‘A Spoiled Priest and other stories,’ published in 1905!
Up dating required; ‘Abused Seminarians’….
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Typos at 3.33pm. It’s hard to type when you’ve had a skinful.
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May God bless your ability to do both my child.
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“The McAleese Committee archive contains all State records concerning the Magdalene Laundries and likely contains some information relating to the as-yet unidentified burial sites of many women who died while incarcerated
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It’s a moral outrage that information that’s relevant for a person’s life history is being concealed. The truth is that both the State and Church agencies (medical, social, canonical, judiciary etc…) inspired over the decades to act in a self serving way hoping to eliminate a conscious memory if the horrors which happened in our institutions. The church’s religious orders and hierarchy are guilty of reprehensible and inhumane treatment of children and vulnerable people (abuses observed by many through high failings as people passed by). The state agencies consigned these people to such places without any proper supervision. I believe that all victims/survivors are, in justice, entitled to all relevant information and compensation.
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Why are all Priests narcissistic?
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@ 3:49pm
Unfortunately because their like you!
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One of the more infamous homes was at Sean Ross in Roscrea. There was always a priest from Killaloe Diocese as a ‘chaplain’ there and still is. They knew the whole story of the place. One such fr. Frank Bergin even traveled to America with the babies being adopted/sold there to wealthy Catholic families. FR. Bergin didn’t travel for the good of his health or to see the babies were ok. $$$s The nuns were hard nosed business women who extracted every last penny out of the situation.. the film Philomena is a good illustration of the place..the nuns and priests and civil society wore all complicit in this awful chapter in Irish Catholicism. Maybe +Fintan and the nuns should pay up now and apologise for what they did. The Irish taxpayer should not have to pay for it all.. chances of that happening..
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It seems that Killaloe Diocese has a grim history plus a lot of unfinished business.
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they connected to the Cistercians in Roscrea
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No
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7:32
How and Why?
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Research shows that abuse has very grave and serious consequences of inter generational trauma as highlighted in the case of Laura Murphy. It is very important that children and grandchildren and great grandchildren etc., whose lives have been impacted by abuse where the effects continue to have consequences for families are supported to continue in their fight for closure and justice. In the course of my work I have recently been made aware of other cases of inter generational trauma and loss and if anyone in a similar position on this blog wishes to engage further they can do so through the owner of this blog.
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Thank you.
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I do not understand why my colleagues allow lay people to fall in love with them knowing that they can never offer them a lay way off life. I find it most unfair to the lay people and also the vows they have taken to God.
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3.52
Celibacy, like marriage doesn’t prevent a person from falling in love. Has it stopped you?
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I think anyone that makes a vow of celibacy should be castrated to prove their willingness
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That might sort the men from the boys.
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Might sort the men from going to the boys you mean
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Dual purpose so.
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Has An Taoiseach Leo Varadkar responded to Laura Murphy or is it scheduled for an open Questions & Answers session in Dáil Éireann? This is a human rights issue of exceptional public interest here and internationally particularly amongst the Irish diaspora worldwide.
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9:23 Nah, that’s not your intent. If it was you would phrase it like that.
Tell me, how do you think Jesus would expect someone to deal with the imbalance in perception you refer to?
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Absolutely howling at the deflection today and pretense that this is to correct the identification of the RC cult with abuse.
Interesting how you only deflect to Protestants. Once again the cultists give away their tiny, Ireland – centred perspective, to the extent of thinking they know who comments are by. 🤣
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1:44
‘Is Africa the future of Catholicism (and will the next Pope be African ‘
I really hope so because the cathbots think a black pope would mean the world’s ending. I’d love to see the drama and then see them shifting position when it doesn’t happen.
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10:11 This is a difficult idea for Roman Catholics, and is one of the reasons they get so wound up by church closures and a perceived lack of vocations. For their faith it is impossible that ‘the church’ , by which they mean the RC church, would wither on the vine or die out. In their ecclesiology it should be impossible for this to happen before the end times. It’s therefore not just their competitive aspect or greed for donations: for the RC church to die out would mean their faith was false. If every RC bishop were to die out it could not be revivified again because they’ve been so busy telling everyone else they don’t have apostolic succession.
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Anglicans don’t get depressed by church closures because they’ve got so used to it. England has voted with its feet when it comes to the “Church of England”.
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So, too, have Roman Catholics in Erie.
The Romanist church in Eire is going down the shithole of history, and I, for one, am smug and delighted about it, like.😊
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No nightcaps for you, please.
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11.02
Erie is in Pennsylvania and the number of Catholics there is a healthy 25% of the population.
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