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St. Peter Damian’s battle against clerical homosexuality and abuse offers useful lessons for today

St. Peter Damian’s battle against clerical homosexuality offers useful lessons for today

When the eremitic monk and reformer Peter Damian cast his critical gaze upon the Catholic Church of the mid-eleventh century, he encountered a panorama of corruption that would have appeared daunting even to the most hardened observer of the modern ecclesiastical scene. The “household of God” was in a catastrophic state of moral disorder, admitting of no easy remedy. The crisis of the period, and Damian’s heroic response, offers much of historical value to us as we confront our own explosion of clerical vice and doctrinal infidelity.

The Church of Damian’s time had been rocked by almost two centuries of political and social chaos, and the doctrinal ignorance, scandalous personal behavior, and petty venality of the clergy had reached intolerable levels. Bishops and priests were involved in every kind of immorality, publicly living with concubines or illicit wives, or furtively engaging in homosexual practices. Many had purchased their ordinations and the lucrative benefices that accompanied them, and spent their free time in scandalous secular amusements. An outraged laity was beginning to rise up against ecclesiastical authority, sometimes in riotous outbursts of violence that threatened the civil order.

The pinnacle of the crisis was reached in the year 1032 with the election of Pope Benedict IX, a raucous and libertine youth of no more than twenty-two years of age, and the latest and worst in a long succession of compromised popes who served wealthy and powerful secular patrons. Mercifully, few details of Benedict’s personal behavior have been preserved in historical accounts, but the pope’s “vile and contemptible life,” his “rapine, murders, and other nefarious deeds,” and his “depraved and perverse acts,” in the words of the future Pope Victor III, were widely known in his day.

However, by 1049 a new generation of reformers was on the rise, beginning with the pontificate of Pope St. Leo IX, and running through the pontificate of Hildebrand (St. Gregory VII), in 1073. Peter Damian, who was famous for his life of austerity and penance, would act as the principal theorist of the counter-revolutionaries against the Church’s corrupt establishment. Damian provided the rhetorical firepower for their reform projects, publishing a constant stream of open letters that often took on the dimension of pamphlets or small books on every conceivable theological and disciplinary controversy. When it was necessary, he showed up in person to confront corrupt actors and to stand them down – including the Holy Roman Emperor himself.

In many ways the crisis of Damian’s day seems foreign to our own; thankfully, we seem not to be suffering from a plague of illicit clerical marriages, nor do we find ourselves in a crisis of nepotism and simony, even if such problems continue to exist in isolation. However, much of St. Peter Damian’s eleventh century reform struggle seems strikingly relevant to the modern situation of the Church, offering us an incisive and useful critique of sexual immorality and laxism among the clergy, as well as an inspiring example of a reformer of immense personal integrity, whose courage never seemed to waver, even in the darkest of moments.

A devastating analysis of a crisis

Most relevant to our own age is Damian’s famous Liber Gomorrhianus, or “Book of Gomorrah,” a long letter in the form of a libellus addressed to Pope St. Leo IX sometime between 1049 and 1054. The book, which is written against an epidemic of sodomy “raging like a cruel beast within the sheepfold of Christ” has deep resonance with us today, and offers many insights into the contemporary crisis in the priesthood.

Damian’s opening words almost seem addressed to the contemporary Church, as he warns the pope that the “cancer of sodomitic impurity” is threatening the integrity of the clergy itself, and urges him to act with all speed, adding that “unless the force of the Apostolic See opposes it as quickly as possible, there is no doubt that when it finally wishes for the unbridled evil to be restrained, it may not be able to halt the fury of its advance.”

One of the most important elements offered to the modern reader by Damian’s work is his understanding of “sodomy” not merely as a sexual perversion involving two people of the same sex, but rather a continuum of sins that progressively depart from the nature of the sexual act. This continuum begins with acts such as contraception and self-abuse, which then ranges to various acts involving accomplices, each more unnatural and shameful than the other. It is significant to note that in Damian’s eyes, the majority of Catholics today are practicing a form of “sodomy,” one that may easily lead to worse perversions. This insight may offer a useful explanation for the pervasive indifference to homosexual behavior among modern Catholics – most of them are engaged in behavior that is fundamentally similar.

SEXUAL PERVERSION AND PROMOTIIN WITHIN THE CHURCH.

Damian is also concerned with a phenomenon that has become disturbingly familiar for us: the tendency of those involved in sexual perversion to seek promotion and advancement in the Church, and to recruit others into their lifestyle. “Why, I ask, O damnable sodomites, do you seek after the height of ecclesiastical dignity with such burning ambition?” writes Damian. “Why do you seek with such longing to snare the people of God in the web of your perdition? Does it not suffice for you that you cast your very selves off the high precipice of villainy, unless you also involve others in the danger of your fall?”

Much of the saint’s critique is focused on the existence of falsified penal canons in the penitential manuals of his day, which often allowed clerics guilty of sodomy to do brief and light penances for their offenses and to easily continue in their destructive vices. Damian urged the discarding of such canons, holding that the worst offenders should be removed permanently from the priesthood, and that all those guilty any grade of sodomy should be required to do the much longer and more difficult penances established by the episcopal synods of the first millennium. Such penances involved many years of gradual restoration to full communion with the Church.

The saint holds that such measures are necessary to impress upon the guilty the severity of their offense, arguing that as long as the “carnal man . . . does not fear losing his honorable state by his indiscreet discretion, he is also inclined to take up new vices and to remain longer in those he has taken up with impunity, so that, so to speak, as long as he is not struck where it hurts more severely, he lies serenely in that pigsty of filthy obscenity in which he first fell.”

In a rebuke against the 11th century equivalent of covering up scandals of sexual misbehavior, Damian blames lax ecclesiastical superiors for their “silence” with regard to clerical sodomy, and regards them as sharing in the guilt of those under their authority. “Undoubtedly, those who turn a blind eye to the sins of their subjects that they are obligated to correct, also grant to their subjects a license to sin through their ill-considered silence,” writes Damian, later adding that he would rather be persecuted than to fail to speak out: “Indeed, I prefer to be thrown innocent into a well with Joseph, who accused his brothers of the worst of crimes to their father, than to be punished by the retribution of divine fury with [the high priest] Eli, who saw the evil of his children and was silent.”

One penitential canon approvingly quoted by Damian directly addresses the case of a cleric guilty of child sex abuse, that is, he who “persecutes adolescents or children, or who is caught in a kiss or other occasion of indecency.” Such a cleric was to be “publicly beaten and lose his tonsure, and having been disgracefully shaved, his face is to be smeared with spittle, and he is to be bound in iron chains, worn down with six months of imprisonment, and three days every week to fast on barley bread until sundown.” Following this he was to be “separated in his room for another six months in the custody of a spiritual senior” and should “always walk under the guard of two spiritual brothers, never again soliciting sexual intercourse from youth by perverse speech or counsel.”

Although Damian cited St. Basil as his source for this canon, his unreliable penitential manuals had deceived him. Its true author seems to have been St. Fructuosus of Braga, who had applied it to his monks in the seventh century. The canon had then passed into the penitential literature and later the attribution to Fructuosus had been dropped. Finally, in later manuals it began to be erroneously attributed to Basil. The penalty of confinement in a monastery for clerical offenders would later be extended by the Third Lateran Council to all clergy caught in acts of sodomy, a measure that now seems to have totally disappeared from the Church’s practice.

The canonical penances of ancient councils are no longer in effect under current ecclesiastical law, but the problem of moral indifferentism and disciplinary laxism has obvious relevance for our own context, in which homosexual tendencies in the clergy are often ignored or dismissed, and homosexual unions are increasingly treated as morally legitimate. How can it be doubted that the current sex abuse crisis would have been avoided if Church authorities had applied St. Fructuosus’ canon, or something like it, to the guilty?

For Damian, the issue of homosexuality within the clergy is deeply related to the dignity of the priesthood, and in particular the sacrifice of the Mass, which he sees as defiled by the offending priest, who is “unworthy” of offering the sacrifice, asking if such a priest “is barely permitted to enter the church to pray with others, how is it that he can approach the altar of the Lord to intercede for others?” The incompatibility of such behavior with the dignity of the sacrifice of the Mass offers a useful explanation for the modern correlation between liturgical abuse and an effeminate clergy indifferent to the moral demands of the gospel.

The notion of “homosexuality” as a deep-rooted psychological tendency wouldn’t come into existence for another seven centuries, but Damian’s work offers a profound analysis both of the irrationality of same-sex attraction and the devastating psychological and spiritual effects of homosexual practice. The saint expresses a deep concern for the spiritual welfare of those involved in such behavior, and offers them encouragement in the struggle to extricate themselves from it.

For Damian, the practitioner of homosexual sodomy suffers from a fundamental disorientation regarding the natural complementarity of the sexes. “What do you seek in a man, that you are unable to find in yourself—what difference of sexes, what diverse features of members, what softness, what tenderness of carnal allurement, what pleasantness of a smooth face?” he asks the homosexual, adding , “whatever you do not find in yourself, you seek in vain in another body.”

Damian tells us that the practitioner of the vice is tormented spiritually and even physically. “His flesh burns with the fury of lust, his frigid mind trembles with the rancor of suspicion,” he writes. “Chaos now rages hellishly in the heart of the unhappy man while he is vexed by as many worries as he is tortured, as it were, by the torments of punishment.” However, far from dismissing or dehumanizing those who appease such urges, Damian insists that they are redeemable and implores them not to give up hope. He expresses grief over the “noble soul, made in the image and likeness of God and united with the most precious blood of Christ,” and adds, “You who hear Christ the reviver, why do you despair of your own resuscitation? Hear it from his own mouth: ‘He that believeth in me, although he be dead, shall live.’” He assures his reader that he may extricate himself from his captivity to sin through faith and penance, and rise to greater spiritual heights than ever before.

Praise from Pope St. Leo IX

It is safe to say that, as wretched as the situation of the Church was in his own day, Damian could hardly have conceived of the possibility of a revisionist movement that would seek openly to vitiate the historic Christian doctrine on the immorality of sodomy, or to treat homosexual unions as “analogous” to marriage, as Cardinal Walter Kasper does in his most recent bookThe Message of Amoris Laetitia: A Fraternal Discussion. Damian’s work is therefore devoid of any explicit response to the tenets of modern LGBT ideology and to the clerics who defend it. However, the saint’s critique of sodomy in the Book of Gomorrah has been perceived as such a threat to the revisionist project that scholars seeking to legitimize homosexual behavior in a Christian context have argued against its credibility for decades, most notably the historian John Boswell.

Such scholars have latched on to an erroneous narrative that originated in the early twentieth century, which claimed that Pope St. Leo IX in some way rejected Damian’s recommendations, either by reducing Damian’s suggested penalties for sodomy or even by repudiating the Book of Gomorrah altogether and distancing himself from Damian personally. As I show in my preface to my translation of the Book of Gomorrah, this “rejection thesis” is not only baseless, but contradicts the clear text of Leo’s own letter to Damian, as well as the pontiff’s official acts in response to Damian’s book.

SODOMY = EXCOMMUNICATION

Leo praised the Book of Gomorrah and Peter Damian personally in soaring terms, expressing his desire that it be “known with certitude by all that everything that this little book contains has been pleasing to our judgment, being as opposed to diabolical fire as is water,” and predicting Damian’s future reward in heaven. The pope then decreed a more rigorous scheme of penalties for those guilty of sodomy than Damian had asked for. He also approved a canon decreeing excommunication for those guilty of sodomy at a synod at Rheims, during one of his reform tours in Europe. Revisionists have sought to counter these facts by claiming a different letter by Damian to Leo mentioning tension between them is really about the Book of Gomorrah, although the letter makes no reference to the book.

In short, Leo’s unreserved and enthusiastic endorsement of the Book of Gomorrah cannot be reasonably questioned, a fact conceded in the recent scholarship of William McCready, professor emeritus of history at Queen’s University and author of Odiosa sanctitas: St. Peter Damian, Simony, and Reform (2011)In Europe, scholars seem generally to be unaware of this Anglophone controversy, and have found little reason to question Leo’s support for Damian’s cause.

However, St. Peter Damian’s brilliant analysis of the crisis of his day and his recommendations for firm discipline in the face of the moral corruption of the clergy appear to have succumbed to the more devastating effects of oblivion and disuse, as casualties of the historical amnesia of our age. A remedy, perhaps, may be found in Damian’s closing prayer, addressed to Pope Leo:

May almighty God grant, O most reverend father, that in the time of your apostolate the monster of this vice may utterly perish, and the condition of the prostrate Church might everywhere be restored in accordance with the laws of its youth.

(This essay was originally published on September 27, 2018.)

PAT SAYS

St Peter Damian certainly gi es us an awful lot to think about with regard the state of the RCC today.

However, we must read what he had to say in the context of the progress in science, psychology, and medicine – especially in the areas of human sexuality.

Homosexuality, per se, is NOT a sinful or DISORDERED, as the RCC teaches. It is a perfectly normal human sexual orientation.

Obviously, some homosexual acts are immoral and even criminal – homosexual rape, homosexual assault etc – as in the case of Fr Tyndall of the Irish Army.

HOMOSEXUAL LOVE v HOMOSEXUAL VICE

I draw a massive distinction between a priest falling in love with another human being and being intimate with them and priests involved in promiscuous vice in multiple partnerships, orgies and gay saunas.

Of course, the celibacy promise applies equally to heterosexual and homosexual priests.

Gay priests do not get to bypass the celibacy rule just because they are gay.

If you take a celibacy promise you either stick to it or you don’t.

If you don’t , is it not hypocritical to stay in and take all the benefits of the priesthood but not observe the obligations?

Hypocrites make very bad priests.

Priests involved in homosexual vice have absolutely no place in the priesthood.

They must be identified and dismissed.

201 replies on “St. Peter Damian’s battle against clerical homosexuality and abuse offers useful lessons for today”

Dear Pat,
I think this your blog today is one of the best you have ever written. I am a victim of priestly ‘authority’. I fought back. You exposed it.
I want to underline the points made, namely, how could the Mass be authentic when such vice corrupts the celebrant’s heart?
Practising gay priests, many of whom are openly out and loud and proud, must go. There are other jobs. They have made their decision.
You, Pat, have not let any Archbishop or bishop off with cosying up to his ‘pet’ young clergy. You are a decent man. God bless you.

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What have clergy been like in Ballygall since Fr Joe Collins. Has Ballygall had many Vocations to the Priesthood in past Years ?

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Poor Peter Damian. All that histrionic umbrage and righteous fury inspired by a neurotic misunderstanding of the Genesis tale of Sodom and Gomorrah.

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I wonder whether Peter Damian ever had a sneaky wee tug now and then? When he thought God wasn’t looking, of course. Even this small act he would have characterised as sodomitic, and a slippery moral slope to God-knows-what greater sexual perversions; maybe even to… Heaven forbid! … homosexual acts themselves.
If there is anything worse than a promiscuous cleric, it’s a screaming clerical drama-queen whose answer to homosexual activity among the clergy (and probably to just about everything else) is to have the shit penitentially beaten out of them.
Peter Damian and Phonsie, that other clerical maverick and penitential junkie known for his wisdom on sexual matters (especially women’s), would have got on like the proverbial burning house, each encouraging the other to double down on his moral neurosis.
Why would anyone reasonably believe that an 11th century monk of questionable sanity could, even by the stretchiest stretch of human imagination, be accepted as an efficacious guide for today’s ‘sin-fested’ world?

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Bernardine of Siena? Another medieval nutjob. Against… Well, everything by the sound of it, including gays, Jews, and Romani Gypsies. (Sieg heil!) And, of course, canonised by the Catholic Church for his, um, apostolic zeal.

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10.53
If that rabid, hatemongering anti-Semitic and anti-ethnic bigot is in Heaven, then so, too, is Genghis Khan, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Pol Pot, etc.

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Among the attributes of Bernardine of Siena are three mitres, representing the three bishoprics he refused.
Won’t the cathbots be horrified to find in heaven that ex seminarians are credited with a chalice and paten.

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Except in Bernardine’s case the decisions not to accept the bishoprics were his.

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Peter Damian was a raving homophobe. It is not good enough to say “people at that time did not homosexuality” and so on. His words still drip with dangerous poison today.

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Seamus Conway used to hide near the arch dividing junior and senior house seminaries to catch people who crossed over. But what was there punishment if he caught them?

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In my time in Clonliffe after your time, Pat, the junior/senior divide was taken very seriously. It was a rule that you didn’t as a junior go to the senior side and vice versa. But it often happened with a little trepidation. I can say now that there were noticeable friendships which led to questions but I did not witness any homosexual activity in my 6 years. In my second year, the seminary was opened up so that we were allowed to go out as often as we wished, the salient words being “personal responsibility”. This had a positive effect in allowing us to go home, meet family and friends and do much more pastoral work and escape from the all male environment. Studies were expected and exams tough. There was one staff member who had a penchant for particular types!! There may have been some undercurrents of homosexuality but I didn’t witness any noticeable sexual impropriety. I had a wonderful 6 years and probably my upbringing helped me to act very warily, carefully and responsibility. I had a few close college friends but no one ever approached me or made any improper moves on me. I think when you had a group of 120 men of different age groups in one confined environment it was natural that some might have homosexual tendencies and try to act on them. And there’s nothing wrong with having normal human emotions and feelings. Having left teacher training for priesthood my previous experiences of life were of immense help to me in discerning unwanted experiences! I’m grateful for the education I received at Clonliffe, despite having some very challenging moments and questioning my faith and ministerial priesthood.

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Fr Slattery was involved with a Clonliffe seminarian who later received money from Dublin clergy for sexual favours 😪

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Surely the issue today is rampant gay promiscuity and hypocrisy in RCC. Do priests not make a public promise of celibacy?

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When they are identified sure they don’t get dismissed, Ciaran Dallat, Ger, Rory Sheehan, to name onli a few

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6:59 did someone say on here in past few days that Fr Jerry Carey in Ennis was seeking a parish in the June changes for Diocese of Killaloe? If this is true, it speaks volumes on the mindset of the current cohort of clergy and their supports in the Roman Catholic Church.

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Maynooth -what an Empire of Evil. No wonder Ger Fitz is still drawing the cash after he said that the rumours from Maynooth were all lies. Mind Maynooth and Maynooth will mind you.
A commenter here recently said that the clergy are an active danger to the public. He’s right. When are the State going to seriously clamp down on the terrorist organization that the RCC is?

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No Irish Bishop will dismiss a clergy or member outed on Bishop Buckley’s blog. Quite the contrary in fact as evidenced in various Irish diocese.

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Which shows the number one priority of Irish Bishops is their Brotherhood no matter how hypocritical or the extent of promiscuity of their clergy.
Can we have some normal moral behaviour from priests or is normal moral behaviour far too much to ask or expect.

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Peter Damian is the reposts to the knee jerk reaction when the child abuse scandal broke that they didn’t know anything etc blah blah – clergy have been actively homosexual and sodomizing (as dear old Peter might say) for a millennia at least.

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A persons sexual orientation is a non-issue as far as I am concerned, unless through ‘boundary violation’ it becomes an issue. Then the boundary violator will experience my 6-foot 3inch size 13 boot up their behind swiftly followed by a roar while the violator is caught by the scruff of their neck against the nearest wall. Promiscuous gay priests are bringing priesthood, the gospel, and mission of Catholic Christianity into disrepute. Their bishops have questions to answer. Maybe bishops need to start holding zoom meetings with a cross section of their diocesan flocks which could serve several purposes including furthering the mission of the Church. Let’s see bishops ‘taking the risk for Christ.’!

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May 27, 2023 at 7:05 am
Its odd, how you try to separate the sheep from the goats, or should that be the old goats.
Are you indicating that many Roman Catholic Bishops are not homosexual? I think you would be incorrect, a huge mistake, until recently only the Vatican could deal with a Bishop offender whether is involved either money or sexual issues. Now we have the abolishment of the rule of pontifical secrecy, Roman Catholic Bishops can no longer hide behind that rule. There is no guarantee that a metropolitan Bishop is free from offending either.
McCarrick was sexually abusive as a priest ,Bishop, Archbishop, & Cardinal

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Purcell made a PREMEDITATED decision to visit the boiler house. Phonsie, Deenihan and Connell are completely ignoring that.
Is Fr Paul Connell in hiding? Has he uttered any comments on women priests, married priests and blessings of love for the LGBT community? Is Connell’s support for Purcell a sign that he is supportive of blessings of love for the LGBT community?
Fr Paul Connell should release a statement before his Erroneous Episcopal Ordination outlining the reasons for his support of Purcell. Surely it is the least that the good people of Ardagh and Clonmacnoise deserve. If not, why not?

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10:34, the hypocrisy and scandal of Purcell being part of the Meath Diocesan visitation of Silverstream after his PREMEDITATED visitation of the boiler house. Deenihan and Connell have protected Purcell. Connell is being rewarded his mitre.

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The Maynooth seminary scandal? Was Deenihan involved in Maynooth seminary? If he was in what way?

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Rev. Deenihan was general secretary of catholic primary schools association. There office is in Maynooth seminary and Deenihan was secretary in the run up to what is called the summer of love Maynooth scandal. What was his part in the scandal if he played a part? Was his mitre a reward for whatever part he might have played? Did he cover up for Irish Bishops and Maynooth seminary? If he did cover up why or what was covered up? Now Connell is to be rewarded a mitre for protecting Purcell Deenihan Kirby and the Silverstream Priory scandal? I now have to wonder as a lifelong catholic where does this rewarding of mitres to priests involved scandals end?

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Holy Mother’s infantilising and coprophile sex talk is involutedly demeaning of laity. Then a “sixth commandment” is mentioned to signal that it’s only the cleric class, tauntingly implied to be stuck in their Freudian anal stage, that might have “morals”.
This bait and switch superimposed on a double standard is also typified in the fake liturgy non-war.
Catholics need far less sex teaching not more. This intrusion has now spread (alarmingly) to politics.
Catholics should do their own research into how to pray and not wait for a go ahead from archbishops or operatives, for whom favour extracting is the only issue.
Go cafeteria!

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Promiscuous gay priests using human beings as OBJECTS FOR GRATIFICATION is totally completely and utterly despicable contrary to the message of Jesus Christ. Promiscuous gay priests are even leaving down the LGBTQ+ community.

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Ever diocese and every bishops primary preoccupation:
Child abuse
Homosexuality
Hypocrisy
Cover Up
Money and Propertt
To paraphrase Tina, ‘What’s God got to do with it’.’

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Well Paddy McCafferty is a good example, he is homosexual and celibate. Why can’t they all be the same?

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“Fr” at 8:07 on May 27th doesn’t know because Paddy isn’t and toxic “priest” is making mischief and is evil. “Fr” you couldn’t lace wee Paddy’s shoes so leave him the f*** alone.

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No offence Pat but why should me and my colleagues give up sexual arrangements we the have had for years and keep on the Q for a bunch of bums hundreds of years ago that thought celibacy was a good idea?

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With that piece I am starting to query why I am homophobic? As i get older I am becoming more mellow and understanding and I do believe that love is love.

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God doesn’t look too happy today, is he not well? He’s an awful colour. Let’s all pray for the holy father.

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It seems always to be sexual sin that stokes righteous fire in these medieval zealots, doesn’t it? Not unkindness, nor theft, nor greed, nor idolatry, but stirrings of the loins. Makes me wonder whether this was Peter Damian’s besetting sin, and a guilt he couldn’t cope with maturely.
Beware moral crusaders with a fascination for sin rather than righteousness.

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Being leered at on a few seminary visits led me elsewhere in pursuing an authentic and Christian life. Very happy with my decision unlike the disgruntled clerics who appear to spend considerable amounts of time defending the indefensible.

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Without naming individuals, Priests and brothers visiting gay saunas is very common. In particular, Benedictine and Cistercian monks are well known as frequenters in Dublin, London and Edinburgh. Furthermore a serving bishop in Ireland travels to Germany to visit a gay sauna. The reason the bishops are so tolerant of the activities of gay clergy is because the same gay clergy know all the dirt.

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The best gay sex I ever had was in seminary and monasteries. So don’t knock it. The thrill of knowing we shouldn’t be doing it. And especially in a place we were, I think it made it feel that extra special.

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Pat, there is a lot of focus on homosexuality in the church but we need to widen the debate. Imperial researchers are using a new approach to understand why same-sex behaviour is so common across the animal kingdom. Some historical background- In 1910, a team of scientists set off on the Terra Nova Expedition to explore Antarctica. Among them was George Murray Levick, a zoologist and photographer who would be the first researcher to study the world’s largest Adélie penguin colony. He chronicled the animals’ daily activities in great detail. In his notebooks, he described their sexual behaviour, including sex between male birds. However, none of these notes would appear in Levick’s published papers. Concerned by the graphic content, he only printed 100 copies of Sexual Habits of the Adélie Penguin to circulate privately. The last remaining copy was recently unearthed providing valuable insights into animal homosexuality research.
But forays into animal homosexuality research long predate Levick, with observations published as far back as the 1700s and 1800s. More than 200 years later, research has moved past some of the taboos those early researchers faced and shown that homosexuality is much more common than previously thought. Same-sex behaviour ranging from co-parenting to sex has been observed in over 1,000 species with likely many more as researchers begin to look for the behaviour explicitly. Homosexuality is widespread, with bisexuality even more prevalent across species. Researchers are now going beyond just observing it though, with researchers at Imperial leading the way in unravelling how, and why, homosexuality is found across nature.

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Poor Pope Francis. It is almost tempting to give him a pass on this issue, because of his age and, to be honest, his unremarkable intellect. But it would be a temptation not worth indulging, since Francis is, so far, either the most hypocritical pope of the 21st century, or its most senile. Not only does he judge those he claimed himself unable to judge (gay priests), but he goes on to approve undermining the physical, psychological and spiritual well-being of gay young people. This is the man who, a few years ago, supported Mexican bishops in their drive to prevent the Mexican Government from criminalising so-called ‘Reparative Therapy’, but who then (bizzarely, in light of this support) seemingly told Juan Carlos Cruz, one of the Chilean abuse survivors, ‘God made you gay’. (The Vatican has never denied this statement, reported by Carlos Cruz after a private meeting with Pope Francis earlier this year.)
Why would Pope Francis tell a gay man that God had made him this way, all the while approving for gay young people what some have described as a form of ‘torture’, (and ineffective to boot)? Why would he seek to put asunder what God had made? Surely a blasphemy?
So which is it for Francis? Blatant hypocrisy? Or worrying senility? It’s one or the other. And whichever it is, he should not remain as pope.

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There’s a simple answer which suprisinhly has escaped you. It is the wisdom that comes only with age.

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When will the RC institution waken up and smell the coffee? When will they start tackling the real problems within the church and stop their smokescreens? When will they clear out the abusers, the spendthrifts, the hypocrites, the cover up merchants, the power hungry? When will they become more concerned about the teachings of Christ and not be so worried about trying to bail out their sinking ship? The RC institution’s response is becoming tedious and dangerous. I despair at their foolishness and their lack of Christian responses. I’ve said it many many times before, gay love is love. Celibacy is not Christ imposed. It is RC imposed. Again and again it is do as we say and not as we do. How long does Francis think that his church can go on this way? The leadership of the Irish RC church is so bloody arrogant and totalitarian. It is nothing more than a cabal of angry self serving old men. Christianity is not about the practices of the RC church. It is about Jesus Christ. The sooner they realise and accept this the better we will all be

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I think Gregory was revealing more about himself here (his repressed homosexuality) than God’s will on the matter. His words were just a tad too, er, fiery not to raise concern about his motivation.
Besides, as I’ve already made clear (and produced evidence for it), the sin of Sodom, like its twin city Gomorrah, was inhospirality, not homosexual activity.
Greg was as pig-ignorant of biblical hermenutics as some posting here today.

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Peter Damian seems to have known a lot about homosexual acts; rather too much, in my opinion.
No wonder modern Catholics are so f****d up over sex, with these sexually repressed arseholes sublimating their sexual desires in volcanically eruptive discourses on sex of one kind or another. Either this, or projected guilt at having too much of it. 😕

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Strewth! Volcanically eruptive discourses on sex of one kind or another? You haven’t read the Irish penitentials. Drawn up by Irish monks centuries ago. I recall the comment on it by Bamber Gascoigne in his book ‘The Christians’ : ‘Overwrought thoughts perhaps from a cold cell and an empty stomach.’
Peter Damian had much the same ascetic lifestyle as these monks.
There is something about severe self-privation and extreme prudery that leads to an inverted fascination with sex. Any sex. And all under the cloak of moral righteousness. It’s a way of’ getting off’ without actually ‘getting off’. If you know what I mean.

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You would struggle in Ireland and the UK to find a Bishop who would dismiss the Gay Clergy as they are well aware of them and do nothing.
The Bishops answer is always people (Clergy and Laity) making gossip and yet we see the gay clergy running dioceses as the Bishop hides.
Everyone knows about the Daisy Chains in the UK but Bishops fail to act .

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There is no need to dismiss a gay priest.

There are grounds for dismissing a promiscuous gay priest

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Cahal Daly didn’t. When told by the RUC GC that Fr Greg Cormican was cruising gay hotspots, he just advised Cormican to change his car. Incredible. Great leadership there.

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Phil Schofield told a minor lie and now woke culture is out to cancel him, an absolute disgrace the world and her people have become

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Would Peter Damian have the balls to question the laxity of canonical sanctions against offending clerics today? He wouldn’t have been popular if he had, especially with popes Benedict and Francis.

How did Benedict sanction the notorious priest-paedophile Maciel? What dreadful punishment did he impose on this man to bring home to him the enormity of his moral crimes? A life of prayer and penitence.😱 (And Maciel could choose the penitence.)

I’m sure he tortured himself. 🙄

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I’m sure Peter Damian would have the courage to question the laxity of canonical sanctions against offending clerics today. Why would he not? Bishop Buckley questions laxity in priests and bishops. Marciel was no ordinary priest-paedophile. He provided Vatican with tons of money having probably greased the palms of plenty of Cardinals so his life of prayer and penitence was extra special and ultra lenient.

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Here’s the thing. The Christian tradition is solidly against the *practice* of same-sex sexual acts.
My own opinion is that it is not redeemable in this sense and anyone with LGBTQ+ orientation should shake the dust off their feet.

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10:41 And where do you suggest we do for money, Jane. It’s not possible to save much if anything on a priests salary.

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Why does the Catholic Church and RN have to bang on endlessly about homosexuality. It’s an unhealthy obsession they have with it. Just get over it, please ! And, then move on to the bigger more existential problems that you have – like clericalism, hierarchy, abuse of power, privilege and authority, and poor leadership. These are the things that people see and which turn them away from the institutional Church. And then deal with problems of poverty, injustice, war, famine etc. etc. Play to your strengths. You are good on the social justice issues.
The obsessive focus on homosexuality is simply transference. The RC Church wants to find a scapegoat for all its ills, and focusing on the wicked gays in their midst is a blatant attempt to do that. And, people will see through that. It’s a thoroughly contemptible tactic.
As is the plaintive martyrdom theme introduced by + Martin of Armagh. Don’t whinge, Archbishop Martin. You brought all this on yourself by the dysfunction of your clergy and bishops and the arrogance of your behaviour over the decades, which people now know about and will not tolerate any longer.
Ireland is a much better, fairer, just country now that the shackles of the RC Church have been cast off, with a modern, liberal, democratic future ahead of it. Irish people will listen to the RC Church only if it has something to say of relevance. We will not listen any longer to such things as your homophobic rants, thank you.

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10:44
RN is a layman unlike Archbishop of Armagh. You’re right the bigger more existential problems are clericalism, hierarchy, abuse of power, privilege and authority, and poor leadership. These are the things that people see and which turn them away from the institutional Church. Most of all HYPOCRISY turns people away from the institutional Church. The social teaching of the Church is a strength but to claim good on the social justice issues is a joke. Look how victims of CSA are treated by the Church. The idea the RC Church wants to find a scapegoat for all its ills by focusing on the wicked gays in their midst is a blatant nonsense, especially when large numbers of priests, bishops and more senior clergy are gay. Maybe lay people are getting fed up listening to, funding and expected to tolerate gay promiscuous priests and institutional Church HYPOCRISY.

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I see some of the clergy are on the blog again today attacking Pat, some have days off so I suppose they can’t find much else to do. Some clergy dine together on a saturday, some take their boyfriends out and in the rare case, their girlfriend. Some go home to Mummy along with their weeks washing, some have a spa day, some go cruising or to the sauna in Dublin because Belfast is now too dangerous a sauna to be seen in. Some wait by their gay apps at home, namely Grindr, GROWLr, Fabguys, bbrts etc. Some pretend they are taking their day off and stay in their house with door locked and phone on answer. Some will go walking the roads of the parish for exercise, some will drink in the pubs near their parish or go shopping in the cities.

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10.47: It’s quite obvious you’ve done all of these activities yourself….how else could you possibly know, you saddo! Honestly, you freaks….

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I personally believe that if a gay priest wishes to have sex he should leave the Catholic Church, just so that we the laity know that our priests aren’t hypocritical.
Laity mostly prefer the priest to be honest with their money and honest in their way of living…that is until laws change re their sexual practices and salary is earned rather than donated into a box at mass.

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Priests are strange and liars, like a notorious PP from Co. Derry who has featured on the blog recently. Burglars went to his house as he was away on holiday. A neighbour disturbed the burglars and got clobbered by them. Then the neighbour discovered the PP was at home sleeping after all whilst telling everyone he had gone on holiday. Why do some Priests tell their flocks brazen lies like this? They are too well off out wining and dining and I won’t even get started on the flash cars they drive.

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Celibacy is too rigorous a discipline, Bp Pat, for young priests and seminarians nowadays. Like, Philip Schofield, who admits to an affair with a much younger queer, some bishops would be more than happy to put it up. Monks and priors too.

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If seminarians are participating in exploratory sex in seminary using poppers and social media dating apps, some newly ordained priests
are probably sex addicts at ordination.

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Is anyone surprised by Pope Frank’s comments? If anyone thought the Roman Catholic Church was going to change their stance on homosexuality they must have been living in a fantasy world. As the late Christoper Hitchens said about their stance “no queers allowed”. LGBT people have been treat horribly by that church, and if you are a LGBT person, you need to think again about staying. As comedian Bill Maher put it, if you do not agree or live by the doctrines and teachings of this church, then what are you staying for?? The incense? Leave, and attend a proper church which will be welcoming, inclusive and will accept you for what you are, a decent human being, and leave this rat bag organisation, full to the brim of hypocrites, perverts, paedophiles, scam artists, abusers, rapists and that is just the clergy – the people or “laity” are the backbone of the church, and are treated like scum. Think again about where you attend and where you give money to.

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Rampant homosexual bishops, priests and seminarians is a massive issue in the church.
Apart from everything else they get the “good guys” a bad name 😦

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10:54
Rampant homosexual bishops, priests and seminarians is a massive issue in the church as well as rampant hypocrisy and rampant promiscuity. Is Dick Purcell and co. the promiscuous tail wagging the hierarchical dog?
Are some bishops threatened or control by clerical Dickies?

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This blog is one of the few places Irish Catholics can discuss the church and clergy. We make it our business!

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My wife and I dine out regularly because we are retired and enjoy doing so. We go to pubs, restaurants and hotels but it never ceases to amaze us the amount of priests dining in these places. The always seem to order the best wines, the best of foods like steak and no expense is spared. We know one priest in particular who dines in the same hotel every day of the week because my wife made enquiries with staff about it. We always eavesdrop on their conversations and their language and their conversations leave a lot to be desired. The Armagh City Hotel is a good place to bump into them, the Dunadry, Everglades in Derry or the Killyhelvin. Harvey’s Point is another where they tend to frequent and hide out. Money seems no object and some drink too much wine whilst driving afterwards. My wife thinks we should report them.

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It is indeed remarkable that people should choose to organise their behaviour according to cherry picking interpretations of much disputed ancient texts rather than the brain their alleged God is supposed to have given them.

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@11:12. Exactly!
It’s a question going to the core of Christian beliefs.
Of course there are many other logical questions on the inconsistencies of religious beliefs and of the mental gymnastics required to believe in them.
“God moves in mysterious ways:You must have ‘Faith’: All will be revealed” etc etc

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If you’re gay or lesbian in the institutional Church you are condemned to living alone miserably. The only other option is a marriage of convenience.
Gay relationships aren’t primarily about sex but companionship. Sadly I know of a number of Catholics living in secret “friendships.” The impact on their mental health is beyond my understanding. Particularly when one is a priest and the other is a non believer

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Is religion a mental illness?
People were made saints by living a hermits life and praising God all day. Today people who isolate themselves from soceity and praise God all day would be classed as suffering a mental illness and are beautiful loving beings who are too god like for our cruel soceity. Our government do not know they exist as they have no social personnell number.

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Pat I am from Northern Ireland, and I know of at least one cleric using a said dating app. I was made aware of this quite recently. What was surprising was that it appears nothing has been done to address it. Should parish councils and relevant church bodies not be made aware?

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I am continually intrigued by the issues RN concerns himself with. He wants a return to a Catholic Ireland. We know the reality of faith and Catholicism in Ireland. It’s a very changing culture for religious faith but many good things are happening in parishes. I just wish Robert and Pat would stop forever judging. Can we have constructive, creative and inspiring suggestions or remedies to our crises? We need positivity, encouragement and blessings not dour faces and looks of disillusionment, condemnation and blame. For God’s sake Robert, those of us on the ground and on our own as pastors are literally tired of your criticisms. We’re familiar with Pat but your negativity is so disheartening.

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One priest told me the church is taking a step by step approach to allowed married priests, and deacons is that first step. Transubstantiation is a while away, but we are in a new era.
Just look at the crop of priests under 40 right now Pat. Could you pick a decent bishop from amongst them?

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Pat, I’m not clear on this. Precisely what useful lessons for the Church today are offered by Peter Damian’s vent-of-spleen.

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+Pat. I respect you in person, too much in fact to in any way respect such beliefs just because you hold them.
Religious beliefs per se are not deserving of any respect, just because they’re “religious”, and especially when one sees the malevolent outcome of such beliefs.
I think you are decent, but the Lord has always known your true intentions.
Not long now eh

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D&C parishes will rue the day because its Ordinary raised a multitude of them to fill its ranks recently!! Watch out not for said permanent deacons but their wives dear ones, any married man becoming a deacon has ulterior motives, there is already one making a bee line for ‘Fr’ under 50 in Belfast

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Show me a well adjusted, normal, bright, sane young man who wants to be a priest. All those characteristics would lead such young man to run a mile. So, all that are left are the odd balls. Go and have a look at the crowd in your local seminary. You will see what I mean.

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God made us all . He made the heterosexual people the celibate people , the asexual people, the barren people.
The problems Paul focuses on in
Romans 1 do not characterise same sex unions today that are based on love , commintment and where one would give their life for their loving partner.
Christians must agree with Paul that sexual behaviour that is motivated by lustful self seeking blackmail is wrong but same sex relationships based on long term commintments and love must be assessed differently.
As i see it we are turning a blind eye to hypocracy in the church with gay priests pretending to be celibate when they are not and also the sexual abuse cover ups. Where is intrinsic sin in all this.?
Making love is a gift from God and brings many health benefits for our well being when carried out in a loving committed relationship.

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A rabbi and a priest wanted to go for a swim at the beach, but did not have bathing suits with them…
The priest turns to the rabbi and says “why don’t we just swim naked, there’s no one around, and we’ll keep it between ourselves”.
The rabbi sees no problem with the idea, and agrees.
Once naked, the rabbi and the priest start walking towards the water, when suddenly out of nowhere seemingly a group of children appear on the beach.
The priest quickly takes his hands and covers his penis, while the rabbi uses his hands to cover his face.
Later, the priest turns to the rabbi and asks “why did you cover your face and not your penis when those kids showed up on the beach?”
The rabbi responds “father, I don’t know about you, but my congregation knows me by my face”

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A funeral mass today was 26 minutes and 12 seconds and we started at 10:01. I prefer a longer, relaxed and more reflective mass. Not this commentary we are subjected to.

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So let’s see what we have the Christians hating so far today
1. Permanent deacons
2. Jews
3. Performing liturgy well
4. Performing liturgy badly
5. Priests’ability to look after buildings
6. Not sure
7. Robert Nugent
8. Each other
9. Pat Buckley
Looking good for the future guys

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It’s very revealing to see the reactions when religious beliefs are questioned. Invariably, it’s ad hominem personalised derogatory comment bearing no connection, and certainly no sensible response, to legitimate questions posed.
Would it not be more reasonable for these religious adherents of “Christianity” to simply “pity me”, and pray for me, rather than engage in such vitriol?
One has to wonder what inspires them so.

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11.33. Exactly!
Over past 10 years or so of my questioning religious beliefs on this blog, responses have been exactly as you describe: personalised ad hominem and derogatory.
I see no reason for religion to be exempt from honest scrutiny, especially when it affects so many.
MMM

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If you think the interior of Killarney cathedral is bad drive up to Monaghan and have a look. A once beautiful church totally destroyed in the 1980’s by the bishop of the day. A total shame.

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I have drunk and drove a few times and if anything, knowing that I have been drinking has made me more aware and safer as a result.

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@12.01 It is not a question of being PC. The straightforward fact is that you are more likely to have an accident if you drive over the drink/drive limit. That means there is a greater risk of you injuring or killing somebody. Frankly, you are talking ignorant nonsense which has no place in sensible circles. Look at the evidence, which is far more important than your own flawed experience. I hope the police stop you the next time you drink and drive. You need to be taken off the road.

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I would not be surprised if the person defending Dermot Farrell on this blog today is the man himself. He has a very fragile ego.

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A recent lay man has committed suicide due to the stress that the redundancy from the church youth service had put on his marriage. Will his family receive any of the insurance that the church is going to claim? I highly doubt it. RIP Levi Bielfield

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RIP Levi, a true gentlemen that will be forever missed by all your family and friends

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My mother has been in RVH for a week and still no priest has come to see her. Even the Pp has been informed and he hasn’t bothered to visit her.

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Don’t hold your breath on this RVH request, this spoofer has on your blog all morning asking stupid inane questions and is still at it. You fall for it so easily Pat and he knows it.

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12.20: This cry for help in a similar working appears every so often on this blog. I think it’s a ploy to invite attack on priests. Every hospital has a chaplain for different denominations. You should inform the nurse on corridor that your mother would sporeciate a visit. It is still a requirement in hospitals yo have permission to visit the sick other than family members. It’s an easy target to have a go at priests…..and very unfair since, as I said, all hospitals have chains.

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Haughy
What a distortion you have put there. The elderly priest returned to his room at 10.30am to find a notorious thief rifling through his personal belongings. The notorious thief was sentenced at Perth sheriff court 2022. Read the article again and apologise.
Everyone reading the link will see you have made a fool of yourself. What an own goal.

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Best Archbishop of and in Dublin since William Walsh who also had his own mind on matters. I won’t stay quiet for much longer ‘pet’

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The bottom line: one is not guilty by association with one’s religion, sexuality or past
Forgive sexual abusers and let them move on also

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12:40 The Roman Catholic Church excels in allowing priests to move on….. to the next assignment where they are free to do it all over again. Happens all over the world in Roman Catholic parishes.

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Very interesting Pat. Do you think RCC leadership in Northern Ireland has any skeletons of late? We have heard Dromore. Why don’t the records be opened for all -Armagh, D&C and them all?

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Why is Phonsie hosting young people in a house for the summer?
Why isnt this ringing alarm bells?

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Pat regarding the comments yesterday, would it not be more likely that it was Dermot Clifford who reported the abuse seeing as news reports say that it took place in Munster.

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Pat, what do you reckon Eamon Martin is saying to comfort himself after Pope Francis announced the new cardinals? He’s the first Archbishop of Armagh who hasn’t been named Cardinal in 100 years….surely he must be embarrassed, or at least asking himself “what am I doing wrong?”

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Melleray is closing and the monasteries are so immature the way they continue to fight each other over a load of nonsense

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At a meeting last year we established that every priest in the room was homosexual. On that balance of probabilities I would say all are.

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Monsignor Ledwith trained semenarians in maynooth to be priests.He would have taught them that the sacrament of the Eucharist is the only way to God and Heaven. Why then has he forsaken the holy eucharist and gone off to a new age religon? Why are his fellow religions not horrified that his soul is now lost for eternity. ? Was there a spirit of evil in maynooth that took hold of him. ?Archbishop Farrell is an intelligent man and as he was in management he would have been aware that something was not right. Did the evil spirit take hold also of
fr ginnity who was so loved by his dundalk parishioners and they remembered his honesty and integrity. Now he is working for christine gallagher whom he has complete faith in. Then bishop casey who like rolf harris i always had respect for until the annie murphy and son peter came to light and in 2019 the papers reported that bishop casey had raped children ads young as 5.

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What about This Morning now that Phil has gone . Wonder will the lovely Holly hold on or will she be next. Looks like Phil was dancing on ice for a fair few years now. The few times I watched him he liked to call people out as well. In fairness he was good on the tele. They say the more fake u are the better u will be on TV. Thank God the Late Late Show is over for a while.

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Hypocrites make very bad priests.
Priests involved in homosexual vice have absolutely no place in the priesthood

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Yesterday a priest made a comment here which was better than priests’ comments usually are about the effect of priests’ abuse. However he then spoiled it by starting whingeing about how people don’t listen to priests and they should have a ‘fair’ say, thereby showing he doesn’t get it.
The voices that actually deserve to be listened to are those of the targets of abuse

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There appears to have been no or very little genuine Christian goodness coming from the clergy of the RCC, for decades. The church needs to radically reform and rid itself of the paedophiles and unhealthy homosexual clergy. We are still inadvertently making excuses for past appalling clerical behaviour. Married priests, perhaps of both genders, can be the only way forward. The sooner the better. It’s about time the Vatican took proper responsibility of the sex abuse scandal, instead of adopting a damage limitation attitude.

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Once great Catholic Ireland reduced to four seminarians. I wish them well, and I will
pray for them. Bishop Pat has given them some wise words to reflect on. The RCC priesthood is broken, rotten, dysfunctional and this must be acknowledged ifit is to heal. Maybe these four are the future, will persevere and triumph. They certainly need our prayers.

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Bishop Pat is lucky that he has a lot of time in his hands to monitor a blog.
Bishop Pat should try Parish life as you do not get one church you can have three.

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On Monday, 28 June 2021, the Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science Simon Harris TD welcomed the publication by higher education institutions (HEIs) of their action plans aimed at ending sexual violence and harassment.
Have Maynooth published there’s? If yes, are all students and staff fully aware of it?

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I am going to Maynooth in September and I will prove this blog wrong, that a man can be kind, compassionate and celibate.

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Well silly you! But maybe you’ve not seen previous blog comments on this situation. They’ve all ended……disappointingly, disastrously, and regularly acrimoniously.
Don’t delude yourself. Get out……now!

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It is silly how long it takes to become a priest. It took me seven years in total. Such length of time can make a guy incapable of getting a real job in case he wants to leave. But thankfully I have been happy. I would make it a 3 year course. Diaconate at the end then priest 6 months later.

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Many priests are already seriously corrupted by the time they leave seminary and the RCC is lucky if they get 7 years service from them. That’s why bishops overlook misconduct unless the criminal justice system takes the matter out of their hands. A Bishops job is to get value for money for his employer. Inner circles who know too much about highly compromised hierarchy are given sweetheart deals, foreign travel, Mickey Mouse PhD’s because the likes of Rory & others are partying too hard to apply themselves to more challenging or useful academic work. A shower of scammers.

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Spot the rejected bitchy ex Sems and failed priests on the blog today like most days on here. They stick out like sore thumbs. You can’t help but detect their resentment, nastiness and bitchy queenie venom in their posts. All because they were flung out the door and deemed unsuitable and they are unable to move on with their sad little lives. You gotta feel sorry for these rejects who can only cope by taking pot shots at those within ministry. Very sad and pitiful.

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Your comment @ 7.53, is laughable.
I’ve spoken with several ex-sems, who, like myself are so glad to have left such a disreputable and now widely recognised “profession”.
By contrast, former classmates who were ordained: a quarter are dead; half have quit, and those still “working” are mostly worn out, tired, and in despair at what their ” work” has become.
Methinks you protest too much.

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And the dogs on the street very well know that a great number of current priests who have survived so far, would quit tomorrow if they had any viable financial alternative security.

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When I was a sem I had to help the chair of the college’s board of management with paperwork and saw the relentless hounding of a teacher of languages in the school, who was blamed for poor A level performance by pupils, even though the language in question is a difficult one.

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When I was in Maynooth in the 1980s there were 350 resident seminarians and just three deans and three spiritual directors. There was no full-time rector and no “vocational growth counsellors (aka shrinks) then but now there are two vocational growth counsellors, two deans, two spiritual directors and a full-time rector. So, 7 formators for 20 seminarians. That’s partly where the vocations collection money is going.

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Sean Corkery of Cloyne diocese is the Senior Dean. There are seven priests in the grandly titled “community of formators” in Maynooth. Seven formators for twenty students!

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We have a more educated population who can argue moral and social norms for themselves without a Church.

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As well as, homosexuality is accepted by many especially the younger Irish generation, no need to go into the Roman Catholic church to hide behind the facade of religiosity.
Presumably, if the Irish Roman Catholic church is a gay profession now, why would a heterosexual young man want to get involved, where he would be ostracised and, the odd man out, with the pressure that would bring either to conform or, get out.
The Mammy’s and Grand-Mammy’s are not encouraging their sons into the priesthood, for the very reasons you have outlined, and, many children are not brought up in profoundly religious home anymore.
The crimes of child sexual abuse worldwide by Roman Catholic clergy has had a huge impact on how the Roman Catholic priesthood is viewed, now as derisory, along with the exposé of other crimes, embezzlement murder, (Maskell and the priest’s killings in India) the loss of respect for the priesthood, it has become a laughing stock.
Including the sexual preying of Roman Catholic of nuns by Roman Catholic priests.
I mention before the dictatorial bullying position of Roman Catholic Bishops, with the position of either your face fits or, not, and stuck, the pressure on mental health must be enormous
The continued infantile position Roman Catholic priests find themselves in, with poor pay, no works’ union, they are fodder for the business institution know as the Roman Catholic church.
How on earth a reasonably intelligent person would want to find themselves in that position, I cannot understand.
Yes, they get many needs met for to sustain life including accommodation, which is used cleverly as a ploy to hook many priests to stay, because over the years they slowly lose their independence and, come to rely on the church to provide for them, and at the end of their days thrown on the scrap heap, continuing to rely on other to support them.
I would be very concerned to see any young man choose the Roman Catholic priesthood as a career.
Francis champions the secular role of labour unions, odd how only the canonical courts or lawyers are the only avenue open to a Roman Catholic priest in trouble or, deemed to be so, all inhouse, very unhealthy in my opinion

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I would rather stack shelves in ASDA then be associated with the RC church and priesthood and all the nonces. At least it’s an honest job where you would not be looked at with suspicion.

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A group of gay priests in Ireland have formed a gay sex ring. They organise gay sex sessions for diocesan and religious order priests in various parts of the country.
The get-togethers nearly always involve alcohol and occasionally the sharing of narcotics.

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*Fr. Eugene Boland* is appearing in public, performing tasks pertaining to ministry. He was at a vigil in Strabane tonight, aside his brother priest and one other priest. Is Fr. Eugene Boland not in restricted ministry?

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Men entering priesthood now days is only for the benefits and freebies, that’s their motivation. Pat worked within the establishment years ago , he will tell you nuns were a million times worse than priests and they were bad. I find it ironic they are never mentioned. One sided agenda, if pat weren’t gay, the real truth would come out, not the one sided gender attack that’s filtered by the moderator, who happens to be gay. Ironic.

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It’s not just celibacy that’s the issue though. Chastity is an issue to. These words are sometimes used interchangeably. They are related but not the same.

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Hi Pat,
I read recently that Fr Brendan McGee died at the grand age of 95 2 years ago. Is he the first D&C priest to have cremation?
Changed days. When my dad ( he was English) died in 1977 his wish was to be cremated. Although we had a Requiem Mass our PP told us that he was forbidden to go to say prayers at the crematorium in Belfast. He told us Bishop Philbin wouldn’t approve.
Obviously more attempts at control. People power has changed that.

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Richard Purcell is also still in position despite your campaign. What happened to the man from Kerry who was on to Rome?
They mustn’t fear you at all, Pat, or what you have or say? They obviously don’t care about the allegations you have been making – taking them with a pinch of salt – since they are taking no action and not even the media are interested. Very strange no?

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When the Dominicans sold their retreat house in Cork just before Christmas 2022 there were many refugees living there who had to be rehoused.

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Sodomy was or is used in the legal context for illegal sexual acts. St Peter Damian’s use of the term is in that territory where concubinage, pederasty, rape are all sodomy (as noted) although bestiality was ranked as a lesser crime. Pope Benedict IX was accused by St Peter Damian and othres of organising homosexual orgies, homosexuality and bestiality, plus selling his office twice. Modern Popes who possibly didn’t investigate some perv and even Renaissance Popes are pedestrian by comparison.

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