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ACCUSED PREDATOR BISHOP RETURNS TO VATICAN POST.

Christopher Altieri Catholic Herald

June 14, 2020 at 11:04 am

Bishop Gustavo Zanchetta – currently facing trial both in his native Argentina and in the Vatican after allegations of sexually abusive behaviour toward his own seminarians – has returned to work in the Vatican’s powerful and troubled Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See – APSA – the Vatican’s central bank.

Crux reported the news Saturday evening, quoting Vatican press office director Matteo Bruni, who told Crux: “[W]hile naturally remaining available to the Argentine judicial authorities, [Bishop] Zanchetta was able to resume his service which does not interfere in any way with the investigations.”

The Catholic Herald independently confirmed the news with Bruni in a brief exchange on Saturday evening, and again after reaching Bruni by phone on Sunday morning. Bruni had nothing to say about the status of Bishop Zanchetta’s canonical process, but Pope Francis had the results of the preliminary investigation no later than May of last year.

“Something like fifteen days ago the preliminary investigation came to me,” Pope Francis told Noticieros Televisa in an interview broadcast 28 May 2019. “I read it, and I saw that it was necessary to make a judgment. Then I passed it to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, [and] they are making the judgment.” At that point, the Vatican and Pope Francis had been aware of the complaints against Zanchetta for years.

The Vatican suspended Bishop Zanchetta in January of last year, after reports surfaced of ambiguous conduct with seminarians and irregular financial management. Shortly thereafter, Zanchetta was with other high curial officials on retreat with Pope Francis, despite his suspension.
Argentinian authorities eventually decided to indict Zanchetta and try him on charges of “aggravated continuous sexual abuse” allegedly committed against two former seminarians. Zanchetta denies the charges. he has entered a plea of Not Guilty and is currently standing trial in Argentina.

In November of last year, Crux cited Vatican sources as saying that the investigation in Rome was nearing completion, and that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith – to which Francis entrusted the matter – was waiting for the court proceedings in Argentina to conclude.

This is not the first time Bishop Zanchetta’s employment status has been the subject of scrutiny.

Over the summer of last year, Bishop Zanchetta produced a certificate for the court in Argentina, which came from the sostituto of the Secretariat of State – roughly, the pope’s chief of staff – Archbishop Edgar Peña Parra. The certificate said Zanchetta was needed in the Vatican to “continue with his daily work” even though he was supposedly suspended from his tailor-made position as “assessor” to the APSA.

When news broke – in June, 2019 – of the leave granted Bishop Zanchetta for “work-related” travel, the Catholic Herald asked the press office for clarification of his status, but received no reply. In September 2019, after the note from Archbishop Pena emerged, press office director Bruni told the Herald: “[T]he situation concerning [Bishop] Zanchetta’s working activity has not changed since 4th January [2019],” which was when the Holy See confirmed Zanchetta’s suspension, pending investigation.

On Sunday morning, Bruni had nothing further to tell the Herald, beyond his confirmation of the statement he gave to Crux.

Charles Collins

7 months ago Crux Now

Argentine officials request arrest of bishop suspended from Vatican job

An Argentine prosecutor has requested international assistance in the arrest of Bishop Gustavo Zanchetta, the currently suspended “assessor” at the Vatican’s de-facto central bank.
Zanchetta is facing charges of defrauding the state and “aggravated continuous sexual abuse,” with two former seminarians having filed a criminal complaint against him.

According to La Nueva Mañana, prosecutor María Soledad Filtrín Cuezzo made the request after Zanchetta failed to respond to numerous telephone calls and email inquiries she made to the Argentine official after he was allowed to return to Vatican City. In August, he was required to provide contact numbers and email addresses to Argentine authorities so he could be updated on the status of his case.

Zanchetta served as Bishop of Oran from 2013-2017, when he resigned, allegedly for health reasons.

After spending some time in Spain, where he allegedly received psychological treatment, he was appointed by Francis to the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See (APSA), which functions as the Vatican’s central bank, where he worked in the newly created and ill-defined position of “assessor.”

However, in Argentina, over 20 seminarians complained about alleged sexual and other misconduct by the bishop, including paying visits to the seminary late at night, sitting on the beds of seminarians and giving them alcohol.

He was also accused of defrauding the local government of nearly $250,000, as well as other financial misconduct.

On January 4, the Vatican acknowledged the bishop was under investigation and suspended him from his role.

On August 8, the bishop presented himself in the Argentine court to be formally informed of the charges against him. After giving the court a Vatican-issued certificate signed by Venezuelan Archbishop Edgar Peña Parra, the Substitute at the Vatican’s Secretariat of State, the court allowed him to return to the Vatican.

The certificate didn’t officially summon him back to Rome, but stated that he does in fact, work in APSA and that he lives in the Casa Santa Marta, the hotel within Vatican grounds where Francis has lived since the beginning of his pontificate.

Earlier this month, the offices of the Diocese of Oran were raided in connection to the case, and prosecutors sought to lift the deal allowing Zanchetta to leave the country.

On Nov. 12, Filtrín Cuezzo was notified that the court was constituted to try the bishop on the charge of sexual abuse, aggravated by the fact it was carried out by a minister of religion.
According to the complaint made by the two seminarians, the abuse occurred at the John XXIII seminary in Oran and in a private house in the town of Los Toldos in Salta province.

When the prosecutor requested this summer that Zanchetta face trial, she included the findings of a psychological evaluation conducted on the bishop.
La Nueva Mañana reports that among other aspects, the psychiatric report states that Zanchetta “presents a personality with psychopathic traits (indicators of manipulation, superficial emotions, poor empathetic ability); he does not have psychosis, or another mental disorder that alters the relationship with reality. It is linked through disparate interrelationships, exercising power over others, and can include the conduct deployed and ability to discern socially reproachable acts.”

Francis, who worked closely with Zanchetta when both held positions at the bishops’ conference in Argentina, acknowledged in an interview with Mexican journalist Valentina Alazraki in late May that Zanchetta had been investigated at his request and is currently facing a Vatican trial.

Sources have told Crux that the investigation in Rome is nearly completed, but that the Vatican’s Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, which is handling the case, is waiting for the Argentine courts

PAT SAYS

It is DISGRACEFUL but NOT SURPRISING that Francis has given this man Zanchetta his job in the Vatican back before the outcome of his criminal trial in Argentina.

What a slap in the face for his seminarian victims?1

What lack of respect for due process in Argentina?

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160 replies on “ACCUSED PREDATOR BISHOP RETURNS TO VATICAN POST.”

A compromised individual is ideal for minding / handling the “boss” who lives in the same building.

PF just “allowed” the Pell reforms to be “announced” as being put back in place which he had “allowed” to be overturned.

A certificate from the treacherous Secretariat of State (where Gallagher works) about the conveniently appearing vital sinecure when the disposable Pell wasn’t allowed one.

Watch for PF (elected by someone who had “interesting” pals) to take a leading role in the new abnormal. “Territories” and “enclaves” are very useful places. Distraction burglary burglary. And from whom.

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I have one objective in revisiting this site. My name is to be restored to all comments I have made in the last years . For electronic historical record. I am now familiar with what happened in this matter. Put my name back with my comments.

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Bill, your name was removed from my previous blog on GOOGLE whose HQ is in Dublin.
This current blog is hosted on WORDPRESS.

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Oh, please don’t say Gallagher is netted as well?! Oh, well that could have explained some of the difficulties I encountered! Clearly takes a person with connections to control investigative departments
and powers. No?
His parish is St Charles, Aigburth, and he used to just turn up, unanoonced on Sundays with his mother and Fr Preciouston would have to sit in choir dress on the servers’ bench with me and the kids 😂😂
They didn’t get on, and after the party incident with students and drinking, Fr Preciouston would stay in the presbytery and not even turn up for Mass when Ghalagher was there. He was incredibly rude to a Deacon who has a tracheotomy, very rudely scalded him on the sanctuary during Sunday Mass. Church was packed!
I used to just call him Father (Hia Father) and I think he took a bit umbrage to this at first, however I did soften him up a little and he did seem friendly towirds me.
How very bizarre! No?

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6.36: Are you crazy, William? What exactly does this mean? Are you working for some subversive group with implicit threats against others?…This is a bizarre comment.

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I can confirm that on the Google based blog ALL Bill’s comments were changed from having his name on them to “Anonymous”. It was part of an overall problem that made me leave Google.

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I agree with 9.48, there is no threat whatever, either implicit or otherwise. Pat to the best of his ability obviously is going to be looking into what is and isn’t feasible and justifiable in the circumstances we are now left in. That much is inferrable by every blog reader of every blog. The anti-Bill element who have turned up in force aren’t offering any arguments.

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Mulvihill: Go back to bed or take your pills. This is arrant nonsense. Are we now to be subjected to your irrational and weird outbursts again? What a crazy wirld you inhabit!!

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Whatever the motive you are a brave man Bill. How many chirp like a budgie in heat when they live in Cage Anonymous

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8 23: What do you really care about Willie Boy? What elusive pot of gold are you yearning for that has yet to fall your way? Please stop being a child. Grow up…

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10:48

For scripture 📜or theological matters😇 Maggie leaves the rest mute. 😅
Take a morning chill 💊pill. 😆 ( Just sayin, like) 😎

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I’ve spent several hours scrolling up and down and perhaps it is just me being clumsy, but I don’t seem to see a 10.00 (to which 10.09 refers).
Pat or somebody, can you shed light on that please?

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The new head of so called safeguarding for Archdiocese of Birmingham is called Mr Hassle! Quite fitting for these days. No?
Has Mr Hassle been circumvented?

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BTW the Archdiocese of Birmingham website’s so called safeguarding page gives a clearly desperate, and pathetic attempt at giving the impression that things have now ‘changed.’ sound famiar?…🙄
I have had the pleasure of recieving correspondence from Mr Hassle.
THINGS HAVE NOT CHANGED!
However, I was very thankful that he went through the Hassle of the email and the admissions contained therein. The email a perfect addition to our file of evidence. Archbishop Bernard Longley and his failing to report serious and horrendous abuses by a priest who was/is Rector of a college Longley is Trustee for. This, too, is also admitted in the independent safeguarding report!
Jesus ssid: “FOLLOW ME AND I WILL MAKE YOU FISHERS OF MEN!”

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Lol

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To Anonymous at 10:10. Can you please tell us how you posted an image in the comments? I tried to do this in the past and could not….thanks.

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If you insert a link in your comment to an image it shows it, most of the time, but not always. Sometimes it just shows the link address.
I don’t know if it is possible just to put images directly on. I think only a blog owner is able to do that.

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The Zanchetta story, like so many others involving Francis, will be ignored by the secular media, who love him.
Had Benedict or JPII done half these things the media would have camped in St Peter’s Square screaming for their resignation.

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Yet the diametric opposite is the case at 10:13.
Bishops like Viganò, Burke, Müller etc. who criticise Francis continue to do so with impunity. If they had attempted to do so in the days of JPII or BenXVI (which they wouldn’t have done in the first place) they would have had to face the consequences like the cowardly way people like S.Fagan, T.Flannery, B.Darcy and G. Moloney were treated.

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10:59
Your reaction isn’t well thought through.
Their being silenced applies to preaching and public celebration of the sacraments.
They are entitled to defend their good name. Or would you prefer that their freedom of speech would be compromised by anonymous bureaucrats? Your comment is that of a fascist and of a charlatan.

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10.38 the first listed are a slightly different kind of case than the four last listed. Vigano (and Ratzinger himself) (and someone else) are seen as turncoats and aren’t to be allowed peace. Sambi disappeared, presumed murdered.

The last named were – wrongly – given a bad name because the framing of so called doctrine was done in a deliberately confusing and shallow way. (We dealt with this last week.) The likes of Vigano have a vocabulary problem with compromisings they have none the less seen.

Fudge the sexuality issues by setting up false guilt then involve people in manipulation, abuse of power – strange business deals (which for example I afterwards realised, I was being obliquely notified of) are just the garnishing on the dish.

The image of church has to be portrayed as flip followed by flop and so on. But these leave us none the wiser without background. Rome makes everybody victims, make no mistake. False conflict = dialectic mimetics, the “true christianity”.

Not content with sausage machine (which I missed out on ha ha) religion has been turned into a meme about which the militant atheists are correct. Rome gives no-one belief and has zero trust in Holy Spirit in anyone. Fortunately, all the children drop out at age 18 now, without exception.

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The anonymous bureaucrats are not so anonymous. Rev Charles Brown (foisted on Ireland, now currently toiling [one hopes] in Albania [ad multos annos usque ad infinitum]) is shown up for what he was (and is) in Angela Hanley’s book dealing with the case of the good Christian gentleman and scholar Fr Sean Fagan S.M.

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It’s called fraternal correction by bishops, as Paul did to Peter.

Mercedes Darcy and functional agnostic Flannery and the rest of that dissident crew have been allowed to preach and celebrate the sacraments, it is a lie to suggest otherwise.

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1:05
Better to ask someone you label as an agnostic whether they are such.
Calling Viganò’s diatribe fraternal is delusional on your part. Are you an American cultural warrior or, if closer to home, a reader of the freesheet left at the back of most churches and ery handy for the local farming community.
And whatever you call it, it didn’t happen in Wojytła’s day or Ratzinger’s day. At least you may rejoice Francis doesn’t react in a similar way.

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1.23 Rome became functionally atheistic by its conflicting “categories” and company mentality, that’s why I don’t see the likes of Darcy or Flannery as a problem in themselves. Darcy and Flannery would prefer to continue to be regarded as part of the firm as they and we were once taught we should see it.
James Martin for one is an out and out boot licker who interferes in every diocese in the world in another cause. That they were seen by anyone as paving the way for him is down to Rome.

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Cardinal Sarah, who gets many letters, turned 75 yesterday. Bergoglio will move like lightening to accept the resignation that he and all bishops (except the Bishop of Rome, obvs) are obliged to offer when at 75.

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+ Vinnie of Westminster turns 75 in November this year. Will he go ? Do I also hear that Tuckwell who runs Westminster Cathedral has resigned. Ill health ? Don’t know.

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Why is Elsie insisting another bloomin ex Anglican runs the Cathedral temporarily while the other ex Anglican Tuckwell has had to retire. Madness

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1.05pm He’s the presentment Sub Administrator (and who is acting Administrator pro tem) who has basically been doing the job whilst Tuckwell has been ill anyway. You really have got a chip on your shoulder.

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I’m sorry to hear that Canon Tuckwell is ill and wish him all the best. He seems to have been at Westminster quite a while. I’m not sure it can be a fun place to run. Too busy. + Vin living on site. Musicians. Liturgists. And the looney and mad who spend their time around the place. And it’s a money pit. Good luck to whomever takes over from him !

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Littletit for Administrator / Dean ! He could transfer across the Thames. There would be lots of opportunity for dressing up. All that incense. Nice music. He could camp it up to his heart’s content. He’d love it.

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Or maybe + Wilson could make Littlewank his secretary ? Then he could keep an eye on him and curtail his theological and liturgical extremities.

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Barking MVB delusional LIAR. James S may have written to Cardinal Sarah I have not, too modernist for me. Lovely to see the Troll Magna finally getting her just deserts I hope Patsy keeps to her word, but I doubt it. Evviva Maria!

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Hello to you! I’ve just been enjoying my retirement. I do not like being accused of something I have not done, hence my reply to MVB I may agree with Cardinal Sarah about Ad orentum but that’s all I certainly have never wrote to him. Evviva Maria

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11.44 – at least 11.34 contains an argument, which any number of people could be putting forward. If you are uneasy about the descriptors why not get your thinking cap on (which we needn’t see you doing) about your own attachment to these nowadays shakily built entities. Give time time – none of us that are worthwhile have set you a time limit.

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Thank you so much for your concern, you sound a really nice person, not the nosy gombeen others might think. I am allowed to correct any poster who posts false information. I hope that answers your question. Evviva Maria !

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11.44: Pat, there is nothing acceptable from here on from Magna, even under a different name. You should stand by your principles and morals and ban him completely. You Don’t need his type. He is emotionally, mentally and spiritually disturbed and this blog, far from helping him, is actually facilitating and speeding up a quick demise of this hate creature. You have been demeaned, insulted and devalued by his drunken rhetoric. His behaviour is morally repugnant and has no place on your blog. We shouldn’t have to bear with this nasty person. Ever. The fact that he sneaks back under another name is testament to his moral bankruptcy and shows someone on the precipice of a horrendous breakdown…

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8:56

Bella, what did you think of former Cardinal McCarricks defrocking?
How in your view did he get away with duplicity for so long?

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What did I think of McCarricks defrocking, what do you think? I was appalled how he got away with that lifestyle for so long is beyond me. In my opinion he should be jailed. I don’t know what has happened to him. It really does not matter what happens here. He has to face The Judgement Seat and although Our Lord Is Merciful he is also Just. The sentence he will receive will be severe. The abuse breaking his vows and the disgrace to The Sacred Priesthood you wouldn’t want to be him. Evviva Maria!

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10.21 and then his treacherous diplomacy on top – with full authority of whose full authority it was with.
And the entire lot in substantial complicity with over 200 US bishops, VGs, new movement personnel, and the like, for over 30 years, in order to deliberately overthrow the faith of the entire church.
To the damage of the conscience of all the young men damaged by them and their accomplices PLUS all their many acquaintances and family and acquaintances of the families.

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12 36: No Magna, we won’t give it a rest. You have brought contempt and opprobrium on yourself. Go and piss yourself in the middle of the forest. You’ve had your day. Get lost for good. Go start your own blog.

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10:21 pm
I agree with most of your comment, Bella.
I think what happens here does matter. It is not God’s will for people to abuse other people especially innocent children. It is up to adults to protect the ‘little ones’. It is not God’s will for human beings to die prematurely as a consequence of abuse. The Sacred Priesthood is being destroyed by too many unfaithful Priests within the Priesthood. An American Priest told me to expect more big wigs in the American Church to be exposed for their duplicity.
Keep the faith Bella. Ciao.

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Another “resignation”:
Father Mauro Rivella
Secretary Emeritus of the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See
22 May 1988 age 24.8 Ordained Priest Priest of Torino {Turin}, Italy
14 Apr 2015 ,, 51.7 Appointed Secretary of the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See
15 Jun 2020 ,, 56.8 Resigned Secretary of the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See

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1:16 pm
Ban abusive comments from priests using disgusting foul language.
12:36 pm was not Magna. I’m getting fed up with you clerical juveniles.
You @1:16pm, apologise to me!

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OK

Do readers want to see comments from Magna that are thoughtful, respectful and rational?
Or do readers think he should be banned completely?

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I don’t mind who comments, but in addition to him shooting himself in the foot, the Cathbots are ganging up on Magna. Predictably their next step is to demand other people banned.
They will then be telling you what you can post Pat.
To be frank this is happening because you are not controlling what people post. The solution to that is not to control who posts but to have a strict policy on what you will allow and stick to it. Of course you could literally be completely arbitrary what you publish but a strict policy will reduce arguing.
Personally I would like to see all whining or bitching priests banned, but I don’t think you will do that 🤣

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Not a question of “banning” anyone. But you should have a code of conduct and demand that people, while even vehemently disagreeing, remain respectful of others and not engage in vile insults. This is basic ABC Christianity.
“Magna Carta” continuously lumps all priests together as “spongers”, “moochers”, “Christ-betrayers”, “child abuse enabling” if not actually “kiddie fiddlers”.
This is a grotesque injustice. It is deranged lunatic nonsense and hate speech. It is the ranting of an irrational bigot and it is also lies.
I am a layperson who knows many priests and I and many like me know that this “Magna Carta” is bearing false witness, breaking the 8th commandment.
I also suggest, for your meditation, Pat, that you review how people’s names get bandied about on your blog. The Christian Faith commands not to engage in gossip and it is a sin to take away someone’s character.
Even if some stories are true, how Christlike is it to engage in what often unfolds here at the expense of some unfortunate?
There seems to be no checks and balances here. Anyone can come on anonymously and say absolutely anything about anyone, even to the extent of casting aspersions and mischievous innuendo, about blameless individuals. How can can you square that with being a follower of Christ?
It strikes me that what transpires here is like a public stoning. That is not the way in which Jesus treats even the worst of sinners.

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Only those – and please set the information threshold high (sometimes a brief comment, like probably 10.09, can have high information content) and filter out those with a high emotiveness quotient when not enough is added to previous argument – for example 1.51 is heavily egging the emotiveness pudding. At the same time please be much more selective about the “howls of protest” which usually contain no argument.

To be against Rome is not hate. To hate all of us however against Rome we were, and however against hurting those hurt we were, like Magna often did – including quite a lot of mornings – is hate. It shouldn’t take toying by people who probably don’t want to argue a case themselves, to point this out.

Or you could accept a complaint without an argument, to show up the commenter, but sometimes you could yourself add to it simply “is that an argument?” (in case one of us doesn’t get round to it). I fear Rome taught you too well, Pat, about “dialectics”.

Selective acceptance of comments offered by an individual should vary from probably more than half of those to probably zero at any period. You are by definition not in the business of banning – it is a normal prerogative of normal blog owners to happen to not accept any comments from any individual for an indefinite period. When you’ve got criteria you can apply them comment by comment and thread by thread.

You should also insist (through what channel you like) comments only be offered from a single e-mail address unless in ultra rare cases by prior arrangement if very highly justified indeed (ultra rare in these webmail days).

Around Bill they all need overt challenging why they have got it in for him.

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1.19: Bank this hate incited once and for all. His comments are invariable twisted, perverse, dangerous and vengeful. He has lost all humanity and credibility, apart from his moral bankruptcy. Pat, do your true followers a favour – ditch the bitch.

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1:19

Magna challenges clergy. They do not like it.
They continuously attack the man. They are unable to refute his arguements.
Silencing dissenting voices is the modus operandi of RCC.
They put the fear of God into innocents in the past to silence victims of abuse. And worse.
Now, these people claim some sort of high moral ground regarding hate speech.
Sticks and stones!
Magna simply needs to tone down some of his remarks, and colourful use of language. That’s all.
Stuff those who want to silence people!

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We do not live in North Korea, Russia, China/Hong Kong or a police State. Personally I am not in favour of banning anyone. Those wanting people banned are clergy who don’t like home truths. They are the ones shouting the loudest on here and they shouldn’t get away with it. They want to see MC banned and they are the ones getting paranoid that MC is posting under other names. Lazy spongers laying on their fat arses during lockdown and bleeding the laity.

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1.51: You are out of touch MAGNA: There are lots of people who protect their integrity against whites like you. You have no moral right to assume you can be a bully or a prick and smash every one with your vulgarity, ignorance and hatred. Pat, you must known that MVB is Magna. Look at the language. Why are you appeasing this bully?

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1:51 pm
Good post, MVB.
Some posters are most certainly exhibiting paranoid ideation.
That suggests some are very scared, indeed. I wonder, why such levels of fear?

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Is that a reverse ad hominem argument? Here on the mainland Rome is in lockstep with government, though I don’t know about your sheltered tranquil province.
And is this getting self-referential (by proxy), and what about the varied other comments?

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1.51
And your statistics’ source for these brave generalisations?
I’m not a cleric. I will call you out, MC, for your reprehensible behaviour.

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1.34 You are not credible. Would you say that calling someone a vermin, or a strumpet are examples of colourful language? Take a reality check.

I’d imagine if someone had their anonymity blown, that fear of defamation’s consequences would put manners on them.

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1:34
It would put manners on some of you clerical cowards, wouldn’t it. You guys are not credible. That’s the problem in the Rcc. Too many of you lot and your bosses are discrediting the gospel. Keep checking the blog, boys!!!

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1:55 pm
Here’s another reality check, Fr.
Do you think those abused by priests who subsequently committed suicide will be forgiven by God, Fr?
If not, why not, Fr?
Is covering up for priests who committed crime morally right or wrong, Fr.?
Off you go. Take a reality check.

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Hi MC at 2.01; 2.06 and 2.23.
Your pseudonymous cover is blown. The thought of defamation and libel has the knack of administering a quick sharp shock sufficient to bring someone to their senses.

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His arguments are refutable and he is not challenging anyone. But why waste your time and energy on a faceless old troll on the internet?
If someone came at you in the street ranting and snarling, the way this “Magna Carta” does on here, would you stop for a debate?
No. You’d keep walking and ignore, or take whatever steps necessary to ensure your safety.
There is absolutely no point in engaging with whoever is the creature behind this “Magna Carta”. It would be utterly fruitless – as well as a complete and total waste of precious time for living.

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I agree with 1.34 especially toning down. The Roman element with few exceptions can’t refute, specifically because they lack the skill or criteria. Magna generally showed that he lacks those too.

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Magna makes a good contribution to the blog. Don’t post when drunk Magna, if it still looks good in the morning post it then.

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1.36: That Crackhead Carra is so obviously drunk all day that his moral antennae are destroyed. He has lost all SELF RESPECT and consequently respect for others. He is not deserving of any forum to spew hatred or hate speech. He is a retarded pdycho. No other blog would tolerate his behaviour. Pat, there is nothing virtuous in pretending he is “redeemable”. But keep him if it sustains your blog…Personally I think he deserves nothing but contempt.

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@2:56
I think if you get someone to read your comment to you, you will have a better insight into its bizarre mixed nature, its hatred disguised as compassion.

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1.37: Ban you too……Lillie the Crackbat, Lollipop Josey, Lulu Knickers, Monique and Shirley….all give a good laugh…keep them!

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Are there any RC clergy left in Elsies place? Sounds as if it’s become just another branch of the Church of England.

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MAGNA ET AL
Personally I am not in favour of banning anyone.
As suggested, maybe I need to do a better job on comment moderation?
That is my aim now.

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I would like you not to allow any comments calling Magna Carta an alcoholic, drug user or mentally ill. This is not constructive, it is abuse with (sometimes) a very thin veneer of compassion. I quite take your point the other day about how substance use does not excuse people from good behaviour – Magna needs to behave better but the crowd of jeerers keep insulting him. Frankly I would worry for any alcoholic going to them for help!

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3:45 pm

The is no veneer of compassion to those posts.
It is totally manipulative abusive “gaslighting” commentary.
Despicable, abusive and contemptuous in the extreme. Shameful.

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Yes indeed+Pat. More moderation to ban all foul language posts and ad hominem critical aggression which makes no constructive contribution to the issues raised. So keep Magna’s regularly informative analysis even when highly critical, but simply ban his outbursts and abuse for the next three months while noting any such. If they continue, then ban everything from him. You don’t deserve abuse.
MMM

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The RC Church has tried to ban and silence many people over the years. Those seeking justice, answers, closure and compensation. Why should they be any different now when we hear much talk about banning people on this blog. It’s the clergy who are afraid and don’t like reminding about their high lifestyles. I am glad some of the clergy think I am MC because that highlights how paranoid and afraid you really are. What have you got to hide Fathers???

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It’s drunk priests MVB on the blog usually at night using foul language and decrying people like MC and Pat. Those getting uptight by day are priests too.

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Only 9 Irish dioceses out of 26 posted their accounts online for 2019. Why? Do they think we should be banned from seeing these? What do they want to hide from the laity that provide them with all their income?

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3.17: Magna, if you are aware of Revenue Procedures for Charities, you’d not have made so misinformed a comment, you ignoramus. All Dioceses publish when required by law. Parishioners in individual parishes relay the income and expenditure yearly. Of course, you don’t have an attachment to Roman Catholicism,

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5.02pm Don’t take my word for it as the RC media publications are reporting it. Don’t shoot the messenger. Was it a bit too sensitive for you Father

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Bishop Pat, will you call an amnesty with a health warning for future comments.
Let’s move on to today’s important topic and related issues, please.

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6.47
No need. It’s all been said before here some two weeks ago. Do your own research if you have the time.

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MVB please keep exposing corruption and abuses within the RC junta. It’s getting to the lazy clergy on here today. The whisky/gin/ brandy bottles will be well used this evening and tonight. The biggest laugh for me today is reading the paranoia that has set in with the Fathers/Bishops and Cathbots in general. Poor Magna must be equally laughing because they think every comment made today is by him. So MVB keep up the good work because you have them rattled and we know they are rattled because they are fighting back with venom like cornered rats.

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Some sick petty idiot is now answering for me now by using my name @6.19pm. I knew it would only be a mattter of time and most probably a cleric. So for accuracy I won’t be using the name MVB anymore as I will revert back to anoymous. I will expose these priests even more now.

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Bishop Pat, it’s pointless. Every time you blog, the comments are either hijacked directly by MC or are about him. Every frigging time. It’s tedious in the extreme and stops discussion of other topics and makes the blog heavier, more combative and dare I say more boring than it needs to be.
I wish you had two versions of the blog, one with MC allowed, and the other MC-free. It would make a great controlled experiment.
Please Pat, take the blog back to the spirit of the pre-MC days. It was much better.

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Hi +Pat, today I have been listening to some of my favourite pieces of sacred music, I even had a bit of a sing myself which caused the cats to retreat to behind the sofa. They are now safe and happy I hasten to add! (Just incase that silly calorieific sensitive abuse enabler thinks of calling the RSPCA).
Anyway, only just yesterday whilst I was in a Police station, I had a profoundly spiritual and eye opening experience; it was perfectly clear to myself that the divine and the human were acutely bridged for a time of serious and necessary action. It really was that special, +Pat. I even had a little cry this afternoon, my tears were tears of joy brought on by the reassuranes which I had so beautifully met!
However, it is likely everybody else present in the that custody suite experienced it more as a display of human solidarity and love for justice in respect of protecting our community from wolves and boogeyman, and boogeywomen, and in keeping ANYBODY who cannot protect themselves safe.
… The glorious mystical irony of this, is, it was the GOSPEL AND LOVE IN ACTION! They may not have fully realised it, +Pat, but they are genuinely God’s children and they are vehimently committed to building the Kingdom of God. This is LOVE. This is FAMILY. This is FANTASTIC!
ALLELIA! FOR OUR GOD REIGNS AND HE CAUSES HIS SON TO SHINE ON GOOD AND BAD.
THE LORD HEARS THE CRY OF THE POOR, BLESSED BR THE POOR!

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