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THE LATIN MASS BRIGADE v POPE FRANCIS & VATICAN II.

Cardinal Raymond Burke has questioned the basis of papal-led efforts to restrict and eventually eliminate the traditional Latin Mass, while Bishop Athanasius Schneider has said the “millennium-old treasure” cannot be destroyed, as it is the work of the Holy Spirit.

The cardinal and bishop kindly shared their comments as part of a talk I gave the Latin Mass Society in London on Oct. 21.

As concerns deepen over this pontificate’s new restrictions regarding the traditional liturgy, Cardinal Burke said that “to the degree that reason and sound theology prevail, the safeguarding and promotion of the Usus Antiquior [the ancient liturgy in use before the reforms of 1970] will continue.”

The prefect emeritus of the Apostolic Signatura said this is “despite the difficulties and even the persecution” inspired by Traditionis Custodes (Guardians of the Tradition), Pope Francis’ 2021 apostolic letter issued motu proprio (decree) restricting the ancient liturgy, and the Responsa ad Dubiathe guidelines on implementing the decree issued five months later.

But Cardinal Burke stressed that as a “motu proprio,” Traditionis Custodes lacks sufficient force because it has authority only to the degree that it is founded on just grounds. He added that the grounds for the decree, and the letter Pope Francis wrote to bishops which accompanied it, “are not true and just” when taken together, and he gave his reasons.

PAT SAYS

I have no objection per se with the Latin Mass.

But my problem is the Latin Mass is being used by fringes of the Church to question the legitimacy of Vatican II and the papacy of Francis.

Many of the LMB – Latin Mass Brigade – are people lost in medieval thinking with regard the world and human sexuality in particular.

And yet the vast majority of the LMB are “screaming queens” and liturgical “cross dressers”.

For them the priesthood is all about lace and dressing up.

They have no true pastoral agenda.

They are sacristy and sanctuary actors.

A pastor without a practical ministry and a vibrant congregation is like a bicycle with no wheels.

It looks good but is going nowhere.

Francis is right. Pastors should have the smell of the sheep about them – not the smell of incense.

The incense queen’s worry me!

98 replies on “THE LATIN MASS BRIGADE v POPE FRANCIS & VATICAN II.”

9:34 and there you have it, the clergy & their cat licks pray for the death of anyone that threatens to expose their self interested gravy train.

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There’s exposing gravey trains and then there’s bitterness your not on that gravey train, there is a difference you know .

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Or I wil correct my previous comment. There is exposing corrupt gravey trains and rightly so and then there’s bitterness that your not on it or shagging it, there is a difference …..

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12.40
The revolting anomaly of Bela (UK) purporting on the one hand, to thank God and, on the other to use vulgarity to refer to the Supreme Pontiff. Pat, why do you permit such language.

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If she’s not had her jabs, the Covid might get her this winter. But, she’s such an arrogant queen that I guess she will be thinking that Our Lady will save her again. Until She doesn’t. She will only have herself to blame. But, in the meantime, she has been spouting dangerous doubts and theories, and others may well have taken her advice. Their illness and deaths should lie heavily on her conscience. I guess we just have to get used to arrogant clerical queens like Mother Burke and leave them go on their merry queeny way.

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A pastor without a practical ministry and a “vibrant” congregation…???? Are you talking about all priests and bishops? Do you have a vibrant congregation..? Each weekend we now have 1,100 on average at our masses: pre pandemic it was approx. 1,500 at weekends. Our congregation is very supportive and we have a reasonably welcoming, caring community..The days of large congregations are over. All things “religious” and of “faith” require radical rethinking. The LM Society and their concerns are very often overstated. I think we should refrain from labelling anyone in effeminate terms. Pat, on the occasions I’ve been part of a congregation and observed priests from the pews, I have wondered at times about the over-dressing of clerics and bishops saying mass. Simplicity should be the hallmark with respectful and reverent demeanour. The overkill in liturgical dress is a statement of pride, self adulation, self importance and spiritual arrogance. The carpenter of Nazareth wouldn’t approve of birettas, mitres, titles, chains, crosses, purple bands etc…Each priest to his own perhaps. But I think we’ve had enough about the LM SOCIETY. I loved Latin at college and can read the liturgical texts and am a devotee of the magnificent SACRED Latin arias and baroque music while being very content with the new mass. We should be grateful that you and I and priests have any meaningful ministry opportunities.

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Pat, are the comments of MourneManMichael from the original and inimitable MMM? I thought he had arrived at the pearly gates! If he has died I don’t think his pseudonym as it was should be used by another commenter.

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I can indeed confirm that the ACTUAL MMM has in fact died, and that the mention/reporting of his death here at the time was accurate. Then someone- possibly at a revolting attempt at black humour- continued to make comments pretending to be MMM. This was in extremely poor taste and I can vouch for the fact that it has caused his wife Cecily and his family not inconsiderable distress. Pat, I can offer evidence of all of this privately to you if you so wish- just let me know and I can email you details. But please exercise more discernment in publishing the comments of the dupe who pretends to be MMM- for our genuine and true friend is with us no longer.

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I don’t know whether to address you as a ‘friend’ or simply regard your false claim and supposed evidence as just par for the course of the trolls who frequent the blog, and not worth bothering about.
But anyway.
Your “evidence” is bound to be as unreliable as other supposed evidence and claims for religion’s validity. And being very much alive, I can certainly say that with conviction!
So go on then: send +Pat your “evidence . We’ll await the outcome.
MMM

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+Pat. You will be aware that “Friend’s” claim is untrue from my occasional emails to you(usually forwarding some online or newspaper info on religious affairs), such as the recent one on the “Padre Pio” D&C roadshow.
You’ll also recall the code you gave me a few years ago to authenticate my comments when someone tried to impersonate me.
I still have it pinned up.
MMM

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This is all very well- but Pat how do we know this is even the real MMM now? I am totally confused.

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+Pat.
Code sent via email short while ago.
Has our “friend” sent any evidence of my “death” yet?
Should I be worried?🤭
MMM

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Padraig, I can assure you I’m very much alive and thriving!
I see some self styled “Friend” comments below with some supposed evidence of my death. Read my response to him/her.
“Original & inimitable ” you say. Thanks
MMM

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Gosh, positive proof of the resurrection- though at least in the case of Jesus, it was a relief.

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5.05: Who is Cecily who sent a comment to Pat some time back telling of your death? This black humour is not funny. Your comments lack the absolute clarity, articulateness and cogency of the MMM we all knew once. Pat B has a responsibility to clarify the truth in this matter. Otherwise he’s a heartless goon!

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Just following this thread on MMM, I noticed last few days I am being copied only the last few days oa Be noticed and has never happened before . I’m not sure what’s going on but I’m nothing happy,it’s someone who clearly follows regularly … Your initials used and my lingo was used to torment someone else . I enjoy tormenting people don’t get me wrong but I would rather someone else didn’t do it on my name .

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I noticed comments yesterday someone copying my lingo and it wasn’t me something is going on!

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@7:59. Don’t embarass me with such praise! “Clarity, articulateness and cogency.” Clearly cathbot trolls would disagree on basis of their past attacks, albeit most were ad hominem snorts rather than fair comment. I’m referring here to the “Sharon Shoesmith ” bee-in-the -bonnet type ones.
I pay less attention to the blog now, having little interest in its deteriorated nature. The lack of response to some of my comments I feel to have been germane and considered is also a factor when others seem more preoccupied with triviality and tit for tat bitching.
MMM

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Glad to see your broadside at Sharon Shoesmith, MMM. At last you seem to have overcome the social worker tendancy to stick together when one of your number is caught out. Maybe you are an imposter pretending to be MMM?

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@9:44.
Maybe you are the “bee in the bonnet” individual, and too dense to understand the context and import of my reference to SS?
MMM

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‘it is the work of the Holy Spirit.’
The trouble is if you say that about the old mass but not the current one you are putting yourself out of communion with the church.

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John-Paul II or Benedict would not have tolerated the opposition which Francis faces from Burke, Müller and Schneider. The irony is not lost on Vaticanistas. It’s amusing to hear how these prelates try to justify their opposition when all three would have denounced anoyone criticising earlier popes.

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These 2 faced busy bodies actually believe that they own God such is their arrogance. They are like a cult with a cult in their frilly lace.

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“But my problem is the Latin Mass is being used by fringes of the Church to question the legitimacy of Vatican II and the papacy of Francis.”
Pat you are a mass of contradictions. Why do you give a tuppeny f&$k about the internal affairs of a church that you denounce as an agent of evil? You seem fascinated by the church you profess to despise. You can’t have your cake and eat it.

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Ah! poor Patsy is at it again, according to his reasoning everybody before Vatican II were “screaming queens” and liturgical “cross dressers” because before Polyesterdom came into force there only was The Tridentine Mass. The priests who say the Latin Mass are true Pastors giving their people what they want. I wouldn’t say that the oratory in loyal larne is very vibrant and it certainly does not have the numbers that attend The Latin Mass which should speak volumes to the “Screaming Queen” who leads it”. As regards Fanny he is not right about anything and I’m not just talking about the liturgy. What Pope would attend a pagan ceremony or have a statue of the arch heretic and apostate luther in the Vatican. The oratory doesn’t look good and is going nowhere and will die with Patsy. The Latin Mass will never die.

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You’re a heretic, an automatic excommunicate.

You’re going to Hell.

Repent! You’re days are numbered, so they are.

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12:32 Rupert, you must be one of those crazy people sticking big photos of Jesus of the Sacred Heart on telegraph poles with the word Repent on them!

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The issue is that Pope Francis and some advisors, maybe the dreadful Arthur Roche, pal of Jimmy Saville (who at least hopefully doesn’t have a major budget, except for office operations, in the Vatican, like did in Leeds bringing to the brink of bankruptcy) identify some marginal people on Twitter and other social media as representing tradition Catholics. Calling the liturgy of Paul VI ‘the sole expression’ of the Roman Rite is to contradict even Paul himself, who via his Vincentian liturgist Bugnini, granted many, many indults for the old Mass. It contradicts too what JP2 and Benedict did to restore a wound. Now some old men in the Vatican who see that most don’t regard V2 as a Super Dogma (it’s a Council, an important once, but there were many) want to try destroy demographically thriving TLM parishes (plus Reform of the Reform New Mass parishes) rather than admit their ‘People of God’ reading of V2, that the Church before it was in eclipse, is just nonsense. Two liturgies which are both beautiful existing side by side, rather than treating one as an annoyance, is the better thing.
Perhaps the intent is to drive trads to the SSPX. Francis had a friendly meeting in March with SG Fr Pagliarini, discussing mainly their times in Buenos Aires, football, and the like, according to an SSPX attending layman who is well informed. Pagliarini is Italian by birth, and Francis is so by his father with his mother one generation removed from the old country. Earlier Francis granted faculties on Confessions and so on, which were declared permanent.
‘No pastoral agenda’ is odd since the many, many young family at a traditional are a fact while their complete lack at any diocesan Mass lacking a major migrant component is also a fact. Catholicism in Ireland as a mainstream activity faces collapse whether from aging believers and very few priests. Yet Francis would apparently rather the Church be dead like it is in Belgium or the Netherlands.
The ‘smell of the sheep’ is a bit cringe from Francis. Francis won’t dare show his face in Argentina lest people ask him about his extravagant help to the paedophile priest Grassi, even after a friendly socialist government was elected. His confused words and gestures (his only option is to condemn Putin the terrorist and Kirill the corrupt) on Ukraine is leading many to call him the Z Pope. The deaths suffered in heavily Catholic Lviv apparently mean nothing to the Argentine. Scorn for Francis is becoming quite a popular thing now outside a small cohort horrified by what seems his deliberate protection of paedophiles like Grassi and Inzoli and sem abusers like Barros and Zanchetta with Maradiaga combining that with swindling people of their inheritance. And it doesn’t matter for Ukraine as Putin’s war is collapsing with them retreating from Kherson and mining it and TC will likely be even more ignored once nature takes it course. This is sad to say, but unfortunately realistic.
Ray Burke is said by more than a few to have a fussy, matronly mien and Schneider should know better for unlike the now idled Burke, he does have actual pastoral responsibilities with a diocese of most descendants of Germans and Poles deported by Stalin to Kazakhstan. Grifting US book tours should be a much lower priority. Francis and Schneider were all smiles when both met recently. Perhaps both just know it’s just business, as they say in the movies.

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11.45
A biased screed dripping with anti-Francis prejudice.
In democratic régimes, one is not guilty by association. That’s a fascist principle.
A. Roche is not responsible for the immoral and criminal actions of his associates.
There is no doubt where Francis lays the blame for Russia’s aggression towards Ukraine. Your selective reading of the facts in this comment, and in most comments which appear under this pseudonym is despicable.

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There was so little definite against Pope Emeritus Benedict, there had to be something contrived in his old diocese, while for Pope Francis, there is just so much. The aggressive and extravagant defence of orphan abuser Grassi (for which a now disgraced legal academic was engaged), the last as Abp of Buenos Aires and head of the Argentine Episcopal Conference, and, to open his Papacy, Don Inzoli saw his priestly faculties restored, after which he abused more little boys. Those two cases are nearly a decade old, but are Francis in essence, contempt for and arrogance towards others, while effecting a laughably shallow pose of humility. Given a Vatican job to Zanchetta when he was under investigation for dishonesty and sexual crimes, is more blatant, but those first two involves deliberately and knowingly protecting child abusers, so they are far worse.
Arthur Roche gave a fulsome eulogy for Saville where his personal acquaintances in the so called Leeds Mafia (media people and entertainers from there) would have given him the low down. He is responsible for that, plus his deeply incompetent running of Leeds. Most of all Francis is responsible for picking someone so inferior as Arthur Roche, who reversed most of his opinions in order to get another curial role.
https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1590462687871643649
A lot of people, including many of no particular religious attachment, are now noticing how Francis refuses to clearly condemn Putin’s bloody and criminal invasion. The passive voice, as noted by Tatar researcher Kamil Galeev, is a favourite of Francis. The pandering to Putin and that other gangster 50 hats, hater of railways Kirill is just a matter of record not opinion. Only the most selective quotation of his words would yield a clear condemnation of the invasion of Ukraine.

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Symmachus at 11.45am
I refer to your post few days ago re a mother who decided to send her son to school (mainstream) outside Cabra. Cos she fears that her son would be institutionised.
Was she living in North Dublin at that time, just wondering that’s all. In my case, nuns in all probability sort of knew that abuses was ongoing in Cabra back then. Hence they referred me to 1st school instead which was founded by Mc Quaid. But it made no difference cos abuses took place there as well.
But after discussion with ex pupils of 1st school and Cabra, I found ex pupils of Cabra suffered more trauma from age 3 to 8 than 1st school. That was observed by just mainly, numbers of ex pupils in Cabra admitted to mental hospitals. I remembered asking a certain CB way back then as to how many deaf people were institionlised in mental hospitals. He said it was well over 100 as that’s 1990s. Most of them were from Cabra as far as I recall.
The woman that you mentioned, made a very wise decision to move her son away as it spared him a lot of trouble and mental turmoil. I noticed that especially students who attended mainstream schools, had no problems.
Anyway, move over to today blog, as I recall that Vat 2 was a pastoral council, correct me if I’m wrong there. So it isn’t mandatory just bec it’s just pastoral 🤷‍♀️.
Latin Mass isn’t bad but it’s very very useful for someone who have been caught up in new age therapies and try to get out of it despite problems as regards to accessibility and communication problems. But I found it quite helpful to fight the spirits of new age as it proves to be more effective than the new rite in my view.
BUT I’m opposed to such as dressing up, fashion, showing off, false pretences et al. These priests should be booted out as far as I’m concerned. I would allow real and genuine priests to celebrate TLM.
Mother Burke was outed in Martel book I think. Schneider I think, you’re right re autism but he looked like one. I have no way of knowing it if he’s or not. except for a small prefab catered for autism pupils in Cabra long before autism was formally named in education terminology.

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@ 12:40pm
That was a very short sabbatical, too short for me anyway. Back with your usual insults to His Eminence Cardinal Burke, you are wrong again! Martell’s book dose not out Cardinal Burke as you say. Get your facts right I think you need to go back to one of your mad therapy clinics to rid you of your obsessive hatred of this good prelate.

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I’m sure anything coming from the top company man doesn’t have just force because the stench the company (as a whole) gives out isn’t of sheep. Look who was especially in favour of electing him. Bp Pat, I know you’re only posting this up as a talking point. I hope this thread doesn’t boil down to a phoney liturgy war – which is actually what the company wanted to create all along (and I think you aren’t actually out to endorse that).
I’ve noticed there isn’t enough comment on the new mass in English, facing the people, that actually got abolished in England in 1969 (if anything would have made me catholic, that was it). There are incidentally four different latin masses as well as three different English ones (not counting the nice English rendition in my book as an infant), none conclusively outlawed.
I think Burke and co. would do better to criticise the lack of prayer and belief in Rome and to point out the truth that sacraments aren’t compulsory for laity. Rome shows its insincerity by welcoming the diversions it has shoddily manufactured.
The Council didn’t reform abuses in Ireland or anywhere else. At most and at best it was meant to get us to ask unpredictable questions. The abuses from the 16 th century onwards all stemmed from lack of belief by authorities.

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Anon at 1.15pm
Frédéric Martel book implied it re mother Burke. I have no hatred for mother Burke as you were suggesting it. Just felt sorry for him. Frankie aka ‘Bishop of Rome’ doesn’t like him more than I do.
Hence he demoted Burke such to a degree just to let him know of his attitude towards him. You bring it up re Burke to Francis, not me.
Have a good look at Martel book article :
https://nihilobstat.info/2019/03/26/did-frederic-martel-just-out-cardinal-raymond-burke/
https://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-cardinal-raymond-burke-catholicisms-most-offensive-mansplainer
https://championshipsubdivision.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=30869
By the way sabbatical will go on except for one or two replies in relation to my posts.

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God, what an odd couple – Burke and Schneider ! The former a liturgical drag queen and closet gay boy, the other an ultra orthodox autistic zealot. And they expect us to listen and follow them ! + Pat touches on an important aspect when he refers to sanctuary and sacristy actors. From what I have observed of many seminarians and young priests who take to the lace, satin and latin is that by and large they are playing a game. It’s a big wheeze for them, something to divert them from the more pressing things of life and to insulate them from issues that they should be confronting, usually with themselves and so often issues of sexuality and identity. Games, however, become boring after being played too long and one day they suddenly hit a brick wall and are brought back to have to confront all the other issues that are going on with them. And, so many of them do not survive. In the meantime they inflict silliness and nonsense and their game on the Church and the faithful. So selfish and so myopic.

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…and they go off and join all kind of odd equestrian and Holy Land orders, so that they can dress up and go on jaunts. And put letters behind their names. Think Dean Kennedy.

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Robert Nugent is complaining about him being mentioned on this blog about his obsession with gorgeous young twinks masturbating. But yet in the same conversation/rant – he started to justify, yet again, his opposition to them masturbating.

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10.39
Are you receiving commission for the number of times you refer to this individual and this activity? Sometimes bad publicity is worse than no publicity.

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I have been watching The Crown, totally dramatised. It got me thinking – who would you like play you in your 3 stages of life? If such a film/series were to be made?

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Aidan Gillen could be Fintan Monahan. Another “Littlefinger” performance regarding deception and behind the scenes manipulation….

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Does Noel Treanor celebrate TLM? He strikes me as the kind of Bishop that would love a bit of dress up and down.

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@11:13am
He Pontificated at the opening of the new Church of The Immaculate Heart of Mary in Belfast . The Church was packed so edifying to see after years of half empty horribly reordered chapels of The Novus Ordo Brigade. Magnificent Vestments,Wonderful Mass. The modernists would have hated it, but who cares about that lot. God Bless His Lordship Bishop Treanor.

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Tom Deenihan’s on going support for the Silverstream charade is absolutely scandalous. What was the point in accepting an Episcopal appointment if he is not going to lead with integrity?
He could step away if the responsibilities of the position are too much. Dom Benedict Andersen, the true Prior of Silverstream, must be provided with his letter of good standing without delay.
Pax.

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12.40 pm, 11.42 am, 10.59 pm, 11.25 pm, 12.32pm Bella at his best and getting worse than the others so that is five so far.
Prayers for Bella.

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pat, never think the LMB do not have sex or not sexually interested then have sex behind their lace curtins irrespective of the other persons marital status do not be fooled by the LMB all Holy Holy thats laughable.
Pope Francis has a huge in tray and his priorty is the filth of the Clergy that is NOT welcome in the Catholic Chuch as they are low life and in need of mercy.
LMB is small fry to Pope Francis and his Successor will address the LMB and be assured of thatPope Francis is the Successor of Peter never Madame Burke.
I am disgusted at Cardinal Tom Winning reffering to Archbishop Conti as Auntie Mary as stated in the Telegrath today how bitchy.

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@ 12:00pm
Patsy, Auntie Nettie is just jealous that no action happens behind her filthy net curtains. She’s easily disgusted with the oul lefty Winning calling Conti Auntie Mary he also called Bishop James Ward VG of Glasgow “The Duchess”. All because he was too conservative for the ultra liberal Winning.🤣🤣🤣

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@ 12:00pm
The cheek of oul Nettie bristling with false indignation at Winning calling Conti Auntie Mary and if anybody say’s anything about cul Fanny Bergo but thinks it’s alright for her to insult Cardinal Burke by calling him “Madam” how bitchy!

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Quote from following article: ‘Bishop Conti never had an easy relationship with Cardinal Winning, who would solicit Conti’s opinion in meetings of the episcopal conference with the question “And what does Auntie Mary think?”, using the nickname that the rather effete Conti had borne since seminary days.’

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/mario-conti-catholic-archbishop-of-glasgow-who-saved-his-diocese-from-financial-ruin-and-transformed-the-cathedral-obituary/ar-AA13YpYp?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e5faca84fc01491d9e433125b01fad46

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Written by retired Lieutenant Commander of the Royal Canadian Navy, David Lewis.
Writes about his life & many years of service in both the US and Canada, Europe & Afghanistan.
He also includes how flashbacks of childhood abuse at the hands of parish priests have influenced and infected his life and service.
David Lewis is a recipient of the Meritorious Service Medal, the General Campaign Star – South West Asia, the Commander Canadian Army Commendation and other decorations.
He has been married to his wife Sherrie for over 40 years. They have five children and one grandchild.

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It makes me laugh the way people are incapable of seeing what’s in front of their eyes. The old mass was allowed temporarily with a view to getting the SSPX back into the church. Now that that has failed there is no reason to continue it.

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While I hold no candle for CockRoche, I think that he will broach no opposition or contradiction from the likes of Burke and the Latin, satin, lace and brocade brigade. He’s got the ear of Frankie as well. So, I think you will find that slowly but surely they will be eased out and marginalised, and if they insist on putting up opposition other sanctions will be applied to them. Once these leaders of the extraordinary form are put down, the girly clergy who like to swish around and play at liturgical games will find themselves becoming increasingly ridiculous and irrelevant. The vast majority of people are quite settled with the regular form in their own language. It’s only the odd, autistic swivel eyed loons who pitch up for the EF. It and they, their days are numbered.

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@ 5:15pm
You wish, you autistic loons have been babbling on with the same oul garbage for years. If you think Martha Cockroach will make any difference no matter what sanctions she applies it will not alter anything. So the leaders of the true Mass will never be put down no matter what . Oul Fanny days are numbered, she wont be here much longer and no matter who succeeds her. Tradition will still be here long after Martha,Fanny and you are toast.😉

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Over 2,000 Masses are said every Sunday in England all Novus Ordo. There are only 50 Old Masses so hardly a threatening’brigade’ of priests who like dressing up while being active homosexuals

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That’s not the point.

It’s the fact that the LM is being used as anti Vat II and anti Francis.

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Pat you missed your calling in life. ‘Pat says…..’ could have been a wonderful chat show on the BBC or would you have preferred UTV?

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Where exactly does this happen Pat? I attend the Latin Mass and the English language Mass in Dublin and have never heard criticism of Vatican ii or Pope Francis. Perhaps pope Francis could dialogue and listen to people and ask them why they feel an attraction to the pre reformed traditional rite of Mass?

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@ 6:11pm
But Patsy dear someone has to be anti Fanny before he does any more damage and losses more souls through his erroneous teaching. If Vat II
was followed by all these retards who are forever quoting it but haven’t read the documents especially on The Sacred Liturgy. Perhaps you could do tha.t Pointing out their mistakes and quoting the Council saying that Latin was to remain the primary language of The Church. That the clergy were to see that the faithful were able to say and sing IN LATIN those parts of The Mass pertaining to them. So what happened there? these are the words of The Council that have been disregarded by the modernists.
Do your duty Patsy and teach yer pals what the Council actually said🙄

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Pat, VII literally turned its back to Christ.
Mary, John, and Mary Magdalene didn’t once turn from Christ. They didn’t turn on him and face the crowd. They didn’t address the Romans, they didn’t address the Rabbis. They were with him, wholly, upon their gaze, and upon his, until he gave himself to the Almighty
TLM defends the honour, and adores the sacrifice of Christ. VII defends it’s popularity and adores its place in the public square, occasionally stopping adoration of the crucifixion to ask people to dig into their pockets. What was it you said Priests and Bishops made per year?
There is the difference.

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I agree that the LMB are small in number. Around 2-3,000 in the UK including SSPX, LMS, FSSP, Christ the King.
However, the LMB are very vocal on social media (blogs, insta, YouTube). Dr Taylor Marshall et al.
Why are young people, particularly men, attracted to the LMB? Probably because at that age we’re all rebellious. Defending Holy Mother Church gives a purpose to many self loathing queens.
Tbh though, it is threatening to liberals as these traditional groups have many vocations.
Personally I don’t mind the LM but I feel sorry for all the queens trapped in self loathing and the guilt placed upon them for shaking the coconut tree.

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There’s only one side of the schism worthy of God’s Grace, and it isn’t the side that follows a counterfeit Catholic religion, established by the masonic Angelo Roncalli masquerading as a Pope.
Allow both rites freely and see which flourishes, both in Heaven and on Earth.

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https://cruxnow.com/church-in-europe/2022/11/french-church-hit-with-fresh-scandal-after-priest-accused-of-rape
French Church Hit With Fresh Scandal After Priest Accused Of Rape
” ROME – French Catholics are reeling after a series of recent abuse revelations, including a top prelate’s confession of misconduct, with the latest involving a priest who is accused of drugging and raping a teenager earlier this month. In a Nov. 10 statement, Archbishop Pierre d’Ornellas of Rennes said he learned with “sadness and pain” that a priest in his archdiocese, Father Yannick Poligné of the Parish of Saint-Louis-Marie in Brocéliande, has been indicted for “aggravated rape of a minor and drug abuse.”
By Elise Ann Allen
Nov 11, 2022
Senior Correspondent

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Just a question. How many regular day to day commentators have personally been affected by the church directly or just generally disagree with their opinions,teachings and way of life etc….
Curious ….

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It would be interesting to research why there are so very few Irish people interested in the Tridentine stage of the Catholic liturgy of the Eucharist.

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The attention given to the traditionalists is rather curious – they are less than 1% of practising Roman Catholics and, probably, around 0.1% of the billion or so Roman Catholics that Rome claims.
Why do they get so much attention?
Their claims are outlandish and fundamentalist. Although they are often well-organised (showing up on cue at Chartres at the right time) with schools and convents, they are probably smaller, altogether, than the Church of England (counting all the trads spread throughout the world). Their florid devotions are, on the whole, harmless and their laity a ragtag collection of often quite well-meaning and fragile people.
Their priests vary from the malicious to the sheltered. I would not be surprised if there were some statistical connection between abuse and the trad milieu but, for the most part, it is nonsense we can afford to ignore.
Pray for these misguided people.

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