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WHY DOES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SEVERELY PUNISH “DISOBEDIENT” PRIESTS/ BISHOPS BUT NOT SEXUALLY ABUSIVE PRIESTS AND BISHOPS

PRIEST LAICISED FOR DISOBEDIENCE TO HIS BISHOP.

FR FRANK PAVONE

The American anti abortion priest activist, Frank Pavone, has been laicised by the Vatican for his very rigorous anto abortion campaign. The Vatican said he was laicised for blasphemous statements and disobedience to his bishop.

 In a tweet Sunday, Pavone sounded defiant, comparing his fate to that of the unborn.

“So in every profession, including the priesthood, if you defend the #unborn, you will be treated like them! The only difference is that when we are “aborted,” we continue to speak, loud and clear.”

MEANWHILE

RUPNIK

A famous Jesuit of Francis – Fr Marko Rupnik is being protected by Francis and the Vatican…..

….In spite of the fact that

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1. He sexually assaulted several nuns!

And

2. Gave Confessional absolution to a woman he had sex with – for which he was originally EXCOMMUNICATED!

Pope Francis

Lifted the excommunication!

Stopped the Vatican acting against him!

And invited him to preach at a Vatican retreat day!

Rupnix was also the favourite artist and church restoration man for JP II.

IS DISOBEDIENCE A WORSE SIN THAN CLERICS RAPING / ASSAULTING CHILDREN, WOMEN, MEN, AND NUNS ?

How, in the name of all that is good and holy is disobedience to a man with a special hat, worse than raping children, women, men, and nuns?

The truth is that the RCC regards its clerics as superior and different to all other people and are therefore to be protected at all costs

Women victims, child victims, nun victims, and men victims. are all relatively unimportant, in comparison to priests and bishops.

All cults regard the leader and leadership team as beyond reproach or questioning.

And the led must simply suck it up.

This attitude is absolutely anti-Christian and anti Christ.

And, the Catholic followers choose to close their eyes and keep believing that their buck naked emperors are fully dressed.

145 replies on “WHY DOES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SEVERELY PUNISH “DISOBEDIENT” PRIESTS/ BISHOPS BUT NOT SEXUALLY ABUSIVE PRIESTS AND BISHOPS”

The false appearance of obedience is key to how many men got through Maynooth in the last 20 years only to be exposed on this blog. “Yes-men”, saying yes to the likes of Dermot, Hugh and Fanny but doing what they like behind closed doors.

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Well Patsy that’s The Supreme Bollox for you. What a disgrace that a priest is suspended for disobedience but nothing done to priests like Rupnik guilty of heinous crimes. Fanny will be called to account for that and a lot more under his disasters pontificate.

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I am appalled at the treatment given to Father Pavone. He is a fearless advocate for the unborn child, a powerful communicator and an influential pastor. His crime – being too political and graphic about his anti abortion narratives. I am disgusted at the Mikwauke bishop and others who hounded this man out of ministry. This bastardo of a bishop is a disgrace. His behaviour is shameful, cowardly and vindictive. How can Pope Francis sit with Fr. James Martin, S.J. and revere and affirm him as the great intermediary for the LGBTQ community, tell President Joe (Abortionist) Biden that he’s a good Catholic, protect Rupnik and other criminal abusers, yet dismiss Fr. Pavone from ministry because some nasty bishop disliked him? This dismissal of a well respected priest and influential pro life advocate is a stain on Pope Francis’s conscience. Shame. We must pray for Fr. Pavone. May he continue his ministry with greater courage.

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The present top pope has abolished the subsidiarity asserted by the good pope Leo. But, it would surely have been short sighted of anyone – of any views – to assume the Roman clergy to be a secure calling?

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Rupnik, rapist, preached to the Papal Household. He is STILL a priest. Who did Fr. Pavone rape again? Few argue that his situation didn’t need intervention—even punishment, but LAICISATION without possibility of appeal? The heavy-handedness reeks of bias.

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‘Preach the gospel everywhere you go, if necessary use words’.
On this basis the church teaches that rape and kiddy fiddling are just fine.

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Fr Pavone was disrespectful again and again to whoever was his ordinary which merits definite sanction, similarly for his lurid statements on POTUS, lurid actions, all things a priest shouldn’t do, but Fr Rupnik is the latest rapist or sex offender who’s treated with utter gentleness by Pope Francis. PF talks about clericalism but no one is more clericalist. Reading about Rupnik is also to be reminded about how JP2 had a similar stubborn indifference to clerical sexual crime. Sad, disheartening stuff. It never really changes.

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Pat it is not the hat as you like to wear the hat as well so it is not the mitre.
It is the ring and my Dear Archbishop wears the wedding ring of his Mum and Dad.
So let us pray for loyality to Our Leaders who lead us in Faith with hope and Joy
God bless Archbishop William Nolan and keep the snares of Satan away

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That approach has worked so well over the fate of the little ones, hasn’t it. You’re being scammed, ‘Marigold’.

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I think Bishop Keenan was gifted Cardinal Winning’s episcopal ring. Bill N had impressed with his style – living in a Parish, etc. I wonder if they’ll sell the Oaks and give the money to the poor?

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@ 10:44pm

OMG! Patsy you know who on with yet another name! asking to keep her ‘Dear Archbishop’ safe from the snares of Satan. Too late the snares are already there, Bunty Nolan is almost as big a Bollox, than The Supreme Bollox

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@ 10:06am

FFS! Patsy she’s on again under yet another Name! babbling about the oul lefty Winning having left his ring to Betty Turpin it’s not bringing her any luck. As for Bunty Nolan impressing anyone with her residence in Anderston, I don’t think so. As for the sale of Auntie Mary Conti’s residence the poor wont have look in.🙄

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A disobedient priest breaks the law An abusive priest needs needs their soul saved and their image sanitised

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Once again, the only explanation which reconciles these contradictory things is if the church is a criminal organization and a scam, running a pretend religion as a front. You’re not supposed to believe the religion except for the marks that maintain the front, and they’re not supposed to give any trouble.

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The Romanist Church has never, except in the earliest years, even remotely believed in what it preached.
Love of neighbour, including one’s enemy? The so-called ‘Just War’ put paid to that. So, too, moral approval of capital punishment.
Jesus was uncompromising. (Still is, I expect.) Love of God without love of neighbour is a sham.
Religion here as a front for criminality and self – seeking? Absolutely. And it’s name is’ Romanism’.

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Exactly, Anon at 8:50.
But I would like to ask you when you would place the earliest years to which you refer? I personally put the start of the Roman church in the fourth century, and would put the change from religion to scam at some point before the 11th century, when the first reference to abuse as a problem occurs, although it might as well be prehistory because the history has been rewritten to provide the front.
When would you put the change from belief to scam? You may well have historical knowledge I don’t.
Many thanks.

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I love the way the cathbots fly off the handle.
But the fruit of the spirit is self control.

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10.31
The earliest years of the ‘Assembly’? Primarily within the first century.
Long before the ‘Romanist Church’ began to emerge (Fourth Century), the so-called ‘Church Fathers’ had tilled the soil for it with their authoritarian, rigid theologies.
The more time that passes from a founder’s death (in this case Jesus), the more likely are deviations from his principles. This is precisely what happened in the history of Christianity. The focus largely shifted from Jesus himself to pseudo-authority figures, the episcopate. We have been living with the theological and moral fall-out of this ever since.
But there are now good bodings of a historical inclination to return to those earlier and faithful times. For some, it isn’t happening quickly enough, and they have left the Church.
It may never happen entirely, though, because the episcopate is determined, at all costs, to retain its power and self-aggrandisement.

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12:58
Thank you for a considered reply. Interesting that you would put the start of the deviation even earlier than I would!

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– why is a requiem not listed as a sacrament?
– remember all children of any age that have passed away are praying for us
– was the baby in a vigil casket?

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Funerals are not sacraments 🙄 They may take place during the Sacrament of the Eucharist (But not necessarily)

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None of the blog stars have been laicised. On the contrary, many of them go on extended holidays or costly “further studies”.

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“is being protected by Francis and the Vatican”
Tell me why are they, so blind to see
That the ones they hurt, are you and me?
Power and the money, money and the power.
On their knees in the night, sayin’ prayers in the church light?
Been spendin’ most their lives, livin’ in the gangsta’s paradise.

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We are only human. Why do you hold clergy in such higher regard than parishioners? That you expect our human behaviour to be different or better? When I was accused of sexual assault, and later cleared (because the 17yo man admitted it was consensual), it was awful being tarnished as a sexual predator and paedo, innocent until proven guilty, most clergy are good men.

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I don’t know all the inns and outs of the relationship or lack of it between Pavone and his bishop. However, even though Pavone and his type claim to be slavishly loyal to Church teaching, so often these people are monochrome, tunnel vision, culture war warriors who push Church teaching to its extreme limits and distort the truth by doing so. Just claiming that you are saying just what the Church teaches does not necessarily mean that you are faithful to that teaching. We see this all the time, most especially in the USA where the Church is riven, currently headed by this kind of culture war warriors who obsess about moral and sexual issues such as sexuality, sexual behaviour, relationships, marriage, contraception, abortion, and most recently their current favourite, gender issues. There is little of balance or nuance in most of what these conservative, right wing culture warriors say and do. They are divisive and they are angry. I don’t call that being faithful to the teaching of the Church. So, whatever the discussions between Pavone and his bishop, I suspect that Pavone has been intransigent, arrogant and disobedient, and has given his bishop little or no choice. I suspect also that there are probably other issues in this, and you will eventually discover that Pavone is not the paragon of virtue that he claims to be.

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That’s exactly what I was thinking. To get laicized for disobedience means that disobedience has been something serious.

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11:54 But those accusations are only of sexual activity, whether legal, moral or not. The church is fine with that, remember?

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What the media you’ve consulted about Fr Pavone isn’t telling you about him is that he was head of ‘Catholics for Trump’ and is therefore a Fascist.
I wonder if that cult will let him belong now he’s been kicked out of the other one?

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That would be a specific campaign on a specific occasion and there were only two candidates and it isn’t as if Biden was recommendable either. Some of the Trump camp’s policies were middle of the road but Trump personally knowingly sabotaged them and the cause of wouldbe “Republicans” (as we all saw from 2014).

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@10.04 If you are who I think you are, I don’t understand why you have discontinued using your Call Name. I thought you were comfortable in your own skin? 😉

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2.59 Never mind. Wrong Trump hater. It appears that you hate Cathbots too. Sorry to disappoint you but I’m not one of them and I am definitely not stupid… Just ask Canon Todd 😊.

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10.04 I sometimes wonder if the woke left who call Trump supporters fascists are in reality fascists themselves?

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7:53 Of course I’m against fascism. 😂 Thank you for proving that you are all for it.

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10.04 I wonder what your employer would think of you if they knew you belong to an ‘Anti-Fascist’ organisation 😂.

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If you want to rob €100, you need a gun
If you want to rob €500,000, you need a PEN 🖊

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Leave it to Vatican lawyers! Solicitors and bankers are a bishops best friend followed by their teams of “fixers”, no specific qualification from the “real world” required to be a “fixer” – successful RCC “fixers” range from delivery drivers to teachers or accountants or anything in between.

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Fr Pavone only found out about his liacisation when he read about it on the Catholic News Agency site. What a way to operate. It has echoes of Pat’s excommunication in that Pat has never been formally told that he was excommunicated, as far as I know.

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Pat, you missed a trick with Fr Conor McGrath. Wake up and smell the coffee, you have all the info at your disposal.

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It has been noted to me that a fellow cleric, who would be about a decade or more older than Fr McGrath, has made unwanted advances to him in social settings, and is an avid admirer of him. I would like to know if this is true, or if anyone else has heard about this. I will not be naming names without proof though Bishop Buckley.

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What about the accusation from ‘Marie’, towards Martin O’Hagan, that she told him, when she was 17, she was sexually abused in a car and church grounds by a fellow cleric? Least we forget all victims of sexual abuse.

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Did you also meet with Eugene O’Neill around the time he decided to cancel the soup kitchen?
He claims he met you and put bed to any issues you had with him doing it at the time.

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Reply to;
Anonymoussays:
Dec 19, 2022 at 12:19 pm
WRONG! That old chestnut means nothing in law in Ireland, sadly it is likely to be one of the unfortunate reasons sexually abused/ raped VICTIMS don’t complain.
There is also the abuse of power by the rapist if in a position of authority..
Obviously, Roman Catholic teaching does not come into your equation.
Section 2 of the Criminal Law (Rape) (Amendment) Act 1990 sets out the law in Ireland on sexual assault.
A sexual assault is an indecent assault on a male or a female. The maximum sentence is 10 years imprisonment or 14 years if the victim is aged under 17 years.
Defilement of a child aged under 17 years
Section 3 of the Criminal Law (Sex Offences) Act 2006 (pdf) as amended by Section 5 of the Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) (Amendment) Act 2007 (pdf) makes it a criminal offence to engage or attempt to engage in a sexual act with a child under 17 years. The maximum sentence is five years, ten years if the accused is a person in authority

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Queenievenus, you would think the clergy were intimately acquainted with those acts, but as we know they’re far keener on blaming the victim than justice.
Incidentally if the original comment you’re replying to was a troll one it merely indicates that rape is a matter of joking to them.

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They are all liars, anyone that commits to celibacy is already lying to their own biological need for intimacy. It is unnatural. It is, when thought about precisely, utterly insane for any man or woman to choose it as a way of life. Homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual or otherwise. I can understand why an asexual person would be enticed by it, but that sexuality is in a vast minority amongst the population.

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Even the troll comments they make on here are lies! You literally can’t believe a word that comes out of their lips because they’re always covering up some illegality or duplicity.

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Why do you all start on at Francis? It’s missing the important fact here that EVERY pope and bishop since definitely the sixties and probably before, has done exactly this.
Sexual offences are minor in the church’s eyes but not toeing the line is a grievous sin.

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Sure what is a bit of fun when it comes to long term, centuries come and go, most of us will never see an entire century, so just move on and get over it

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When holy elbow joggers apply double standards it is called Prelativism in morals. Are sodalities to be brought under canon law so that this can be applied to them too?

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Pat have you banned Robert Nugent from commenting on your good blog, or why has he not been on in a while? He still checks it every night before bed. I think he is scared of the scrutiny he gets.

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1.01: Robert Nugent is a total bore; full of himself, ultra conservative, judgmental, psychologically unhappy, self absorbed. His ego is gargantuan.

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Ex Clergy, Brendan Collins, got married to a man in Co Dublin on Saturday past. He was the Derry seminarian that disappeared from action. He had close bonds with Fr Derek Ryan from Meath.

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There is no Priest in The Diocese of Meath, with the Name Fr. Derek Ryan. There is an irish country singer called Derek Ryan.

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Thank you for your encouragement to baptise our son by ourselves, we gathered yesterday in the Bog Meadows and baptised our son.
A lot of family members were against it, but we have no faith in the RCC

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Pat you don’t believe people gathered in the bog meadows to baptise their child surely?

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Reply to;Lying priestssays:
Dec 19, 2022 at 12:30 pm
I think he was telling part truth, he probably did drank the alter wine, drank the unconsecrated leftover, he finished the bottle, and, broke into another. He must have been drunk to give such an idiotic excuse. LOLS
Of course priests lie, and do Roman Catholics all the time, and most likely everyone else on earth at some time or another. Why the surprise?

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Why do Priests get away with cautions when they are caught cruising public toilets and yet the general population get criminal convictions.
Who was that priest that has had multiple cautions and even the Bishops were made aware of it and did nothing about it? Walsh and Treanor are cut from the same clothe.

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Fr Dougal? Apparently there is a GP in belfast that frequents these spots also, I will never understand this practice

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Can I thank you again Bishop Buckley, years ago you helped me get a caution from the Police, after me and 20 other men were caught in public toilets in Larne cottaging. If it had not been for your intervention I would have ended up with a record. That was the last time I ever did that and it made me realise the error of my ways. Have a lovely Xmas.

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I remember. Met Chief Constable Ronnie Flanagan to give everyone a warning.
Only one man reoffended. He was 94!

I told Ronnie to give him a medal 🏅

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Because it was not highly reported, I was lucky my wife did not find out about it. Absolute life saviour

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Pat why on Earth would you help men having sex in public toilets when there was children about at the time, I remember this case very well

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8:04 That’s what actual mercy looks like. The comment above indicates they got a caution so didn’t get off scot free.
This is not the let people get away with whatever approach so often paraded as mercy here.

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+Pat: just love your comment @ 6:47! It shows a sense of proportion, sensitivity, …and humour.

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The Dublin Boilerhouse gay sauna in Crane Lane, Templebar frequented by Irish clergy and their “friends” has been recently marked as one to “avoid” by European and UK travel sources. Watch this space.

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M-pox, scabies, pubic lice, verrucas. That’s what you put yourself in line for if you frequent a gay sauna. Not to mention the plethora of STIs like HIV, Hep C, UTIs, gonorrhoea, syphilis, and much more. But, if you suffer a heart attack there will probably be a priest on hand who will rush to his locker and exchange his bottle of poppers for a vial of holy oils and you will be anointed, absolved and, hey presto, straight you can go off to heaven !

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6:23 I’m so pleased to hear there is someone alive who’s never met a single priest! There is hope after all.

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I was sexually abused by a Priest in the toilets of a bookies and the scumbag got away with it. Was swiftly moved on to a different parish. I am so angry.

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I didn’t think men that would go into a bookies would have been the kind to look for sex in toilets

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Who will be cooking the Christmas dinner this year Bishop B? Not long now, I can’t wait, I love it

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6:41 Not surprised at the reaction this got. 👇
Personally I’m a law abiding citizen and would tell the authorities I’d happily be tagged but they’d die of boredom watching me. This reminds me of the howls of horror that Canada has used the law to force them to sell property.
The moral: Catholics like the law to be dictated by them. Cf the way not one bishop for decades reported abusive priests to the law.
And they expect anyone to trust them to behave?

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6.41: Your ignorant comnent is incitement to hatred. I hope when you have a mighty fall of humiliation that you’ll be left in the ground! Haters like you are useless specimens.

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Haters are going to hate, hate, hate, just like Priests are going to play play play, shake it off mate and move on

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8.59: Yes, that’s why I asked you to beg for God’s mercy. You and many other idiots need it.

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You reminder that right wingers of all sorts post fake comments and use bots on social media to try to divide opposition. This is of course emulating the CIA strategy of infiltrating socialist movements and starting rows so that capitalism wouldn’t be under threat.

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@ 8:45pm
Typically you forgot to mention that left wingers of all sorts do the very same. Which of course emulates the Politburo strategy of infiltrating
the free world and trying to impose Communism world wide.

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10.03 Fair play to Mattie McGrath TD for calling out Varadakar & his fellow WEF boys.

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Bishop Emeritus of Cayenne, French Guyana, Emmanuel Lafont, a prominent voice at the Amazon Synod, is under house arrest in mainland France and is being investigated for aggravated human trafficking for assisting a young male Haitian immigrant in exchange for sexual favors.
It has emerged that Lafont has been under secret Vatican sanctions since October 2022, and “is prohibited from carrying out any pastoral activity, wearing his episcopal insignia, coming into contact with any of his acquaintances from French Guiana as well as with young migrants.”

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Pat I think it’s fair to say Frank Pavone is no angel. He celebrated a liturgy with an aborted foetus on an altar. It’s not as grave as what the late Mick Lomasney did, however it was wrong. It’s more of one stronger Bishop in the USA taking a stance as opposed to another weaker Bishop in Ireland.

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